There will be no Rapture!!!

God is about to miracles in Israel which will stun the world.

The devil cannot cast out devils or heal the sick. Jesus made that as clear as it possible to make clear. An evil tree cannot bear good fruit.

The devil cannot cast out devils or heal the sick. Jesus made that as clear as it possible to make clear. An evil tree cannot bear good fruit.

These people will say they prophesied in His name, cast out demons and did mighty works ... there are plenty enough folks going around today saying they do these things ... but their ministries to not bear up to scrutiny ... they are liars.

The kind of signs the devil can do is like atmospheric signs, lying signs are illusions.

But God is doing miracles today there is a super abundance of testimonies to that.

A demon that causes a person to be lame and confined to a wheel chair...
Can, by mutual agreement, remove itself from that body to make it look like its a healing from God.

Deception. That's how it works.

The one who appeared to be able to cast out demons then bombards his listeners with heresy and misleading teachings.
The dumb will always follow.
The wise will sense the evil, and keep away.

............

Why are you so defensive about this? I fear your pride is leading you to wrath. Does it trouble you so much that someone disagrees with you that you can't accept our differences and move on?

Demon and devils don't heal.

remove itself from that body to make it look like its a healing from God.

When you sleep your soul is still very active.
For example..
Inspired dreams from God can be actively experienced in your soul while sleeping.

But, when you sleep?
What happens?
You cease being 'body conscious.'

When a Christian dies he becomes absent from the body and face to face with the Lord.

That is why it is said about believers who have left this earth, that they 'sleep.'
For the soul never died when its a believer.

When you sleep your soul is still very active.
For example..
Inspired dreams from God can be actively experienced in your soul while sleeping.

But, when you sleep?
What happens?
You cease being 'body conscious.'

When a Christian dies he becomes absent from the body and face to face with the Lord.

That is why it is said about believers who have left this earth, that they 'sleep.'
For the soul never died when its a believer.

And you don't read very well.



Genez never said demons heal.

The words caught up in this verse do not have to necessarily mean caught up to heaven.

But they'll be blessed with more than immortality. His raptured followers will also be made
incorruptible. Well; Adam failed to remain innocent, i.e. he was corruptible; but no amount of
temptation will be strong enough to take Jesus' followers down because they will be empowered
not with human nature, rather; with divine nature (2Pet 1:2-4 )

And you don't read very well.



Genez never said demons heal.

and you can't discern well :

"demon that causes a person to be lame and confined to a wheel chair...
Can, by mutual agreement, remove itself from that body to make it look like its a healing from God."

Point 1 -

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Verse 14 shows that the sleepers will be resurrected just as Jesus was.

Well, Jesus was crucified and died on earth then He died and rose again on earth!

After that He ascended to Heaven.

If Jesus died on earth and was the brought back to life on earth then verse 14 shows that the sleepers die on earth and are brought back to life on earth.

Point 2 -

Paul and those that have remained awake join the sleepers and Jesus in the air.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The words caught up in this verse do not have to necessarily mean caught up to heaven.

If fact the verse tells us that they were caught up into the air.

We are in the air now during this lifetime. There is no mention of Heaven being filled with air in the Bible.

How about driving home at night.... stopping to turn onto the main road... and looking across the street where a monastery is located.
And, while looking seeing a ten story high statue standing in its yard that was not there a few hours earlier while heading to visit someone.

How did it get there?

And, when looking all the way up to see the face? You are shocked to see its alive! Living!
And, then watching it begin to instantly changing positions and location in a blinking of an eye...
while conveying supernaturally, a message to my mind.

Would that constitute being a miracle?

On my way driving home it made me realize that its not a game.
That heaven is real.
Hell is real...

And, some here think they are in creative writing class.
Creating fantasy scenarios to fit what is shown in Scripture that they do not yet properly understand.

Creating their own notions of the things in a way that they can understand, while being removed from the reality of the context.
Since they think no one really can understand it? It gives them license to make stuff up, since you have no way to prove them wrong because no one can understand what it really means.

I ask myself. What spirit is their tutor?

Its not a game.
Though, because of their obliviousness, they feel free to treat what they do as a game.

Heaven is real.
Hell is real.

Some are going to receive great rewards.
Some are going to be shamed to have it end, and realize they have lost forever their opportunity learn and grow to glorify Christ.

It feel anger and sadness to see believers thinking they are winning an argument by means of their cleverness,
to be knowing that they are sealing their fate to being a loser of the most precious reward one could ever desire.

To be told.... "Well done, good and faithful servant."

They despise corrections!

God can not grant divine authority in the future to those who now mishandle their temporal authority given them today.
For now is the time for God to determine whom He will grant great reward and blessings,.
And to determine denial of such rewards for those choosing a negative path while in time, when they are not yet
too dangerous to impact life around them.

So, false teachings must be tossed into the arena, to see who will resort to using them for their defense and offense.
The ones who choose false doctrine are now making their bed out of wood, hay, and stubble.

Sleep tight.

grace and peace .......

Point 2 -

Paul and those that have remained awake join the sleepers and Jesus in the air.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The words caught up in this verse do not have to necessarily mean caught up to heaven.

If fact the verse tells us that they were caught up into the air.

We are in the air now during this lifetime.

There is no mention of Heaven being filled with air in the Bible.

I don't disagree with your first point (I've been explaining the same... on that point: "resurrection [/shall RISE first]" means "to stand again [on the earth]")

But as for your second point...



Key words in bold.

(IOW, the verb and adverb must be connected; these, combined with the word "with," the verb and adverb are saying: they and we will be "caught-up together AT THE SAME TIME / AT ONCE / IN ONE 'SNATCH-ACTION'"--rather than one group following the other, and meeting THEM there "in the air". NO!)


No, but in the CONTEXT ITSELF (Paul is covering the Subject in more than just these few verses you're pointing out)... Paul had already just mentioned, in 3:13, the "destination location" that "our Rapture [in the air]" will be taking us to (UP THERE): "...before [G1715 - émprosthen - IN THE PRESENCE OF] the God and Father of us, in the coming/parousia of our Lord Jesus Christ with/accompanied-with all His saints/holy ones" (see also Dan7:13 for similar language, regarding "the Son of man" [the LOCATION--UP THERE]).



Look at the wider context... the entire epistle, for starters.



So you're suggesting we've already be "caught-up TOGETHER WITH" the dead in Christ [as "resurrected" persons] (at the SAME TIME, which is what the verse actually states)?? How so?



Just because v.17 mentions "to the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR" does not mean:

--that "Heaven" is mentioned IN THAT SAME VERSE (plz view the wider CONTEXT, and put your study glasses on);

--that "in the air" is where we STOP, as the intended [ultimate] "destination location," and we just "hang out there" (as if that's the PURPOSE). NO! That is only the "MEETING OF THE LORD IN THE AIR" part, not where He's taking us (ultimately--which is told about in the CONTEXT: 3:13! And all THAT is just until we return WITH HIM for "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" [MK age / or MK inauguration at least, which is ON EARTH commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19 time-slot);

--'nuther point... will have to wait...

Yes, this intentionally inserted comment refers to the harpazo of the Church.

Gotta say it... I must disagree (on this point).


This is why (way back, in our long-ago convos) I said that this is why I do not believe this verse is "an idiom" [or whatever] speaking of "the Feast of Trumpets" / Rosh Hashana (as indicating "rapture timing").

IOW, I do not believe Jesus "intentionally inserted" a comment about "our Rapture" into a CONTEXT which wasn't ABOUT that at all.
He's referring to His Second Coming to the earth, here (in this verse), IOW.



Sorry to disagree with you, brother, but I do believe this particular "take" on it causes confusion (regarding this text / context and what Jesus was covering here).