How should Christians view the Ukraine/Russia situation?

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Nehemiah6

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Komentaja said:
My prediction is that the Ukrainian troops in Kursk oblast will be annihilated / forced to retreat within next week.
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That has happened at other locations also, and Ukrainian troops have had to flee (or get wiped out). The Western media are compelled to tell us that Russia is being beaten by Ukraine, when the opposite is the case (even though US and UK troops are in Ukraine illegally, since these countries are not at war with Russia).
 
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JohnDB said:
There's this false notion that a nation wins in a war.
Nobody wins a war....one side just loses less...maybe.

War is extremely expensive. A tank $5 million is destroyed by shooting $100,000 rockets at it.
That's equivalent to a mansion in NY City being destroyed by throwing brand new Corvettes at it.

War is devastating to generations. The volume of people who die, become maimed, and psychologically damaged to the point of no longer productive is high and is more than just the soldiers who fight. Just today a shopping mall was destroyed in Ukraine. People were there simply getting bread and supplies just to be gone forever out of their families lives. The survivors seeing horrific sights of mangled bodies...including children. (Very much unlike what Palestinians show manufactured videos of)

War stops when it becomes too expensive to continue fighting....
And in this case....Ukraine can't afford to ever stop. Russia is the sole determining decider of when this war stops. When will Putin decide to stop?
If history is any clue....when the RF is complely bankrupt and is broken again. They will fight until they literally can't buy chewing gum.

With the sanctions in place...this is a likely scenario. Ukraine will have "won". But the farmlands will be full of landmines, toxic waste spills, and everything of any value (including bathroom fixtures) will be gone....the cities are rubble.

Is that winning?

It's going to be 30-40 years for the place to return to some sort of "normal"....if ever.
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England and the US lost less men in World War 2 than Ukraine has already lost.

Ukraine will pay a very heavy price for resisting the Russian aggression.

Ukraine has already lost the vast majority of men from the 25-50 year age bracket.
Add to that an enormous number of men under the age of 25 who were volunteers.

Anyone care to calculate how many widows and fatherless children there will be
at the end of this conflict?

How does a country function without a workforce?
 
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Komentaja said:
My prediction is that the Ukrainian troops in Kursk oblast will be annihilated / forced to retreat within next week.
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Well, no matter what it creates a dilemma for Russia....not just a problem but a true dilemma. And no matter the outcome Ukraine has won this round.

The troops available to push Ukraine out of Russia are extremely green and not well equipped. Or completely untrained for this and again not well equipped. Considering one set of reinforcements were obliterated on the way to the fight....not good for Russia no matter what. Send more green troops unequipped? Send seasoned troops from the front lines and lose gains?

Then there's the matter of the gaping hole in their front lines that allowed 2 battalions to get through with that much equipment unchallenged.

So....this means that Russia needs to pull troops and equipment from the front lines to keep home from getting too liberated (some Russians are glad to see Ukraine taking over their village despite no longer having electricity....the Ukranians shut down the power plant)

This is exactly what asymmetrical warfare looks like....where Ukraine is not likely to abandon their chunk of Russia until they have to...they never planned on keeping it either. UKRAINIANS HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY. They are causing dilemmas for Russia that Russia cannot afford to fix.
 
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JohnDB said:
Well, no matter what it creates a dilemma for Russia....not just a problem but a true dilemma. And no matter the outcome Ukraine has won this round.

The troops available to push Ukraine out of Russia are extremely green and not well equipped. Or completely untrained for this and again not well equipped. Considering one set of reinforcements were obliterated on the way to the fight....not good for Russia no matter what. Send more green troops unequipped? Send seasoned troops from the front lines and lose gains?

Then there's the matter of the gaping hole in their front lines that allowed 2 battalions to get through with that much equipment unchallenged.

So....this means that Russia needs to pull troops and equipment from the front lines to keep home from getting too liberated (some Russians are glad to see Ukraine taking over their village despite no longer having electricity....the Ukranians shut down the power plant)

This is exactly what asymmetrical warfare looks like....where Ukraine is not likely to abandon their chunk of Russia until they have to...they never planned on keeping it either. UKRAINIANS HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY. They are causing dilemmas for Russia that Russia cannot afford to fix.
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My prediction was incorrect, a week has passed and they are still in there. Apparently Russia is having trouble organizing this, as per usual.
 
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Komentaja said:
My prediction was incorrect, a week has passed and they are still in there. Apparently Russia is having trouble organizing this, as per usual.
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Yeah....the longer this goes on the worse it gets for Russia, Putin, and his generals.

In truth they are going to have to dismantle their assault, at least in part, to address this border area. Which means they are losing ground somewhere. They are going to hide it as much as possible with all the aerial surveillance it's impossible to accomplish.
 
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Komentaja said:
My prediction was incorrect, a week has passed and they are still in there. Apparently Russia is having trouble organizing this, as per usual.
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Russia may have internal problems to deal with.

Russia is in a war with Ukraine, Europe, Britain, and the US.

Lots of internal political and military turmoil.

Social media, news sites around the world, everyone is having a say.

Russia is in a battle for it's survival.

I suspect it is chaos inside Russia.

Putin and his friends are being pushed to the very edge, tough times.
 
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Putin and his friends are being pushed to the very edge, tough times.
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And he is willing to use nuclear weapons to fight back.
Russia ready to use nuclear weapons if threatened, Putin tells state media
President Vladimir Putin said that Russia is ready to use nuclear weapons if there is a threat to Russian statehood, sovereignty or independence, but said he hoped that the U.S. would refrain from actions that could trigger a nuclear conflict
Russia ready to use nuclear weapons if threatened, Putin tells state media | CBC News
 
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Biblically speaking, how should we view this situation? It is multifaceted and this problem certainly didn't start in 2022 as the media says, but way before it.

Multiple things to consider:

- Russia had no real legitimate reason to attack in 2022 (I dont believe their justifications about nazis and mistreatment is good enough for this type of war to be started)
- Ukraine is led by a globalist LGBT promoting EU puppet
- Russia is for the more 'traditional values' which is good
- Russia complains about how their people were treated poorly in east Ukrainebut my question is; if they dont like it, leave? Russia is across the border.
- Ukraine has a right to defend its land and its people
- Both nations have low fertility rates and old populations, this war will further destroy their demographics with young men dying, a ton of young men a ton of young women fleeing as well to party in other countries instead.

What are we to think of this mess? Are we to not pick a side at all, pray for both sides and remain neutral? Are we to support Ukraine in defending its territories? Are we to support Russia cause its more of a conservative nation?

What do you believe, why do you believe it, what do you believe the scriptures teach on this topic?

My view is similar to how I always view these things: Both sides are wicked, the whole world lies in wickedness and the kingdom of God is not of this world, we should pray for both sides and pray for peace. Thats my view.
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Concerning the Ukraine war controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

The nations are working together which the United Nations has been operating since 1945 to work for peace on earth, and now it is time for a one world government.

Any conflicts between nations is a set up to get the people of the world to accept a one world government.

Like America and North Korea a set up.

As soon as Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started dividing themselves spewing out threats, and warnings, choosing sides which is all a set up.

The United Nations supports new age organizations.

They are setting the stage for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty that is a peace treaty for the world as it stops them from being against each other choosing sides, and causes them to work for peace, but of course it is a set up.

After WW1, League of Nations.

After WW2, United Nations.

Both set ups.

And they are at it again with the Ukraine war to make it appear as if NATO and Russia have a conflict that could result in a nuclear war that could devastate the planet as they choose sides to get the people of the world on board for a one world government.

The top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are working together, and America and Russia have always been working together which is the Hegel System at play.

Donald Trump was put in place to increase the fighting between the parties by stirring up the patriots.

And to gain the trust, and support of them to accept things according to their agenda for they are the most stubborn.

He claims Christianity but he is not like the presidents before them saying God bless America but they did not care but were keeping the Christians from raising a big fuss that would put a damper in their plan.

Like the reason America was in Arab nations was to keep them separated so they would not come together which would put a damper in their plan.

Donald Trump will go along publicly with the new age christianity saying it is backed up by Science that is giving proof, and evidence of the correct interpretation of the Bible.

He will want the Republicans to embrace the new age christianity so the harmonization can start happening as they would become inclusive.

Trump wants a harmonization of both parties, and America and Russia.

With a one world government with a balance between democracy and communism. and religious system with a balance between atheism and spirituality.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
And he is willing to use nuclear weapons to fight back.
Russia ready to use nuclear weapons if threatened, Putin tells state media
President Vladimir Putin said that Russia is ready to use nuclear weapons if there is a threat to Russian statehood, sovereignty or independence, but said he hoped that the U.S. would refrain from actions that could trigger a nuclear conflict
Russia ready to use nuclear weapons if threatened, Putin tells state media | CBC News
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A small nuclear missile into a selected Ukraine city would solve all the problems.

The western nations would back away from nuclear conflict with Russia.
 
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For example we can start with this question to Angela.
Angela can you confirm if this map from Wikipedia is somewhat accurate? And what region are you from?

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My grandparents came from Ternopil which is in the red zone. The Russians, from Catherine the Great through to Stalin & Putin have forbidden Ukrainian language learning, publishing Ukrainian literature, texts books, Bibles and Bible studies and catechisms for centuries. That's when the Russians started committing cultural genocide upon the Ukraine people. I have family in Ternopil, but some have moved to eastern Ukraine, 2 younger cousins having been killed early on in the war!

Ukrainians that were forced to lose their Ukrainian, or never learn it -only Ukrainians have rejected Russian as their home language and are learning g Ukrainian. The Russian Orthodox Church was formed 4 centuries after the Ukrainian Orthodox was formed. They have been trying to get the Ukrainian Orthodox to come under the Umbrella of the ROC, which is religious genocide. In Eastern Ukraine, Stalin starved to death 6-10 million peasant farmers from 1932-33. He made stupid mistakes collectivizing. Plus, he would not give the ample food stokes to the very farmers that planted the crops. Rest assured that when Ukraine stood up for independent statehood in 1991, it was because of Russians trying to get the valuable, black soil that composes steppes of Ukraine, also called "The Breadbasket of Europe!" Stalin was taking Russia peasants to replace the Ukrainian families who had been there for centuries & claim it for collectivized Russian farmers. In WWII, many soldiers joined the Germany Army, hoping they would be humane than what the Soviets had done. Esp the huge numbers of Jews exported from the eastern front countries to be killed in the death camps & concentration camps from Lithuania to Romania and southern Ukrainian. The Nazis wiped out every Jew in Lithuanian, most of them in Belorus, and hundreds of thousands in western Ukraine. Well over a million Jews were take and killed in the death camps in Poland. So, the Ukrainians learned that Germany was worse than even the Soviets.

Ukrainans are fighting a battle of destruction by the Soviets , no different from before. They want independence and to be a country able to care for itself and their people. They are tired of being a conquered land- whose people and culture are being destroyed by a militant dictatorship to get the rich soil, oil & gas capability, and to grind Ukrainians into the ground.

This war is not about the US, except for supplying weapons to fight the mega giant of Russia, for which is trying to crush Ukraine for ever!
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At this point Russia at best is going to have a puhric victory. Same with Ukraine.
Russia has left every city it has gained in rubble. There is nothing left of infrastructure or buildings. No shops or even petrol stations remaining. Just piles of broken concrete.
The only things in halfway decent shape are railways and roads leading back to Russia which Ukraine definitely will never want ever again. They want a wall and DMZ instead of roads or rail lines.

As hard as Ukraine is fighting....there never will be peace for Russia in Ukraine.
Guerrilla warfare will ensure it for generations to come. Russia had its time in Afghanistan and left without ever really winning. The same is going to be true with Ukraine except a LOT closer to home.
Currently Russia is having major issues with oil and gas production. It has lost so many refineries, pipelines, and shipping ports for tankers that it literally is a surprise they can fill their own vehicles at this point.

Sure, Russia has advanced on their Ukrainian front but at what cost?

Ukraine just finished a major round of firing of various public officials and offices. We haven't heard why yet. Corruption is our only guess.
 
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Angela53510 said:
Romans 5:3-5
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Thank you for sharing your perspective Angela.
It sounds a lot like my area (Albania) where we have centuries old, or millennia old blood feuds with different groups of people who claim to be Albanian or otherwise.
I love that verse in there, which is very appropriate.
Thank you and God bless you.
 
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Currently Russia is having major issues with oil and gas production. It has lost so many refineries, pipelines, and shipping ports for tankers that it literally is a surprise they can fill their own vehicles at this point.
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Is this really so? Bloomberg says the EXACT OPPOSITE.
Kremlin Oil, Gas Revenues Up by Fifth as Demand for Flows Rises
Kremlin Oil, Gas Revenues Up by Fifth as Demand for Flows Rises – BNN Bloomberg
(Bloomberg) -- The Russian government’s revenues from taxes on oil and gas surged by a fifth in August from a year ago following soaring prices of the nation’s crude and higher gas flows to foreign markets...

The levies brought in 778.6 billion rubles ($8.7 billion) last month, up by 21% from a year ago, the Finance Ministry said Wednesday. Taxes on crude and petroleum products accounted for almost 80% of total hydrocarbon revenues, according to Bloomberg calculations based on the data. The August budget revenues reflect prices, production and exports levels for July...
 
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The Russian propaganda has once again shown its ugly head. Some of you Russian minions should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
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JohnDB said:
And here is the proof:

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1831508224937209939
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That's your proof? Charges are charges; and they very well could be true, but regardless, do you really think that Americans started arguing about abortion because of Tim Pool? He did that? He made Americans argue about immigration? Nobody actually cared about what went on in this country before Tim Pool came along? Everything was fine before 2023, and we were all holding hands singing kum-ba-yah?

Hmm... interesting. The DOJ files this the day right after Tim Pool announces taking legal action against Kamala Harris for defamation. What a coincidence!
 
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That's your proof? Charges are charges; and they very well could be true, but regardless, do you really think that Americans started arguing about abortion because of Tim Pool? He did that? He made Americans argue about immigration? Nobody actually cared about what went on in this country before Tim Pool came along? Everything was fine before 2023, and we were all holding hands singing kum-ba-yah?

Hmm... interesting. The DOJ files this the day right after Tim Pool announces taking legal action against Kamala Harris for defamation. What a coincidence!
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The issue is not abortion as much as the manner you are speaking to me now.

That's their goal and purpose. To divide America over internal political issues to the point we destroy ourselves instead of having reasonable conversations. To cause so much hatred and anger that we literally cannot be united over anything including the enemy at our gates.

Currently, our two party system is failing us in that the parties have given up on their core ideologies because people don't understand them anymore. The American people only know a few issues that represent them somewhat. Majoring in the minors.
That's the net result of Russian propaganda.

Abortion is now, as it should have been, a state decided issue. Not one the federal government should have been involved with.

Medical procedures and medicines have always been a state issue. TN is a prime example. Diet pills and medicines are prohibited completely. ADHD drugs or any psychotropic drug requires a psychiatrist to prescribe them and a pediatrician is not allowed to. Abortion? Dunno but I'm guessing they don't allow them either.

No reason to argue anymore with people from Connecticut over the issue....it's a state issue. No more arguing about it.

And that is what Russia does not want to happen. It's not pleasant to discover you have been duped into arguing over things you shouldn't have...taken positions to help a foreign country who only seeks your destruction.

I'm not the enemy. Russia, America's northern neighbor is. They want Alaska back and Americans too divided politically to care about its oil and gold.
 
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