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the natural man is BORN with the moral ability

But God cannot lie, so he cannot contradict himself either. Therefore, "all" must be understood in the limited sense. There's not one verse in scripture that teaches that anyone, other than Jesus, perfectly obeyed God all the time. Your lame interpretation of 2Ki 22:2 presents numerous contradictions.

1. Scripture teaches that all men are sinners (Rom 3:23; Eccl 7:20; 1Ki 8:46; 2Chron 6:36; Job 15:14-16; Gal 3:9, 19,22; 1Jn 1:8-10). The only explicit exception to this truth in scripture is the man Jesus Christ.

2. Josiah's perfect obedience is compared to king David's, yet scripture teaches that David sinned grievously against God; therefore, it's not possible for David to have obeyed God's laws perfectly. He committed adultery with Bathsheba, ordered the murder of her husband Uriah to cover up his sin, and ordered a census of Israel which so greatly angered God that he brought a great plague upon Israel. Therefore, since David was not sin-free, then logically neither could Josiah have been. In order for Josiah to have been a perfect law-keeper, he would have had to been compared to the Son of David instead of David.

3. But if you insist that David and Josiah were not sinners but righteous men, then you still hit a brick wall with Eccl 7:20; Job 15:14-16, etc. Another contradiction.

4. Sin by definition is violation of the law. It is lawlessness (1Jn 3:4). Because king David was a sinner, this means he was not sin-free, he did not abstain from all sin perfectly. David, nothwithstanding his righteous life was nevertheless morally and spiritually imperfect, so logically Josiah could not be a perfect law-keeper since he's being compared to an imperfect human being. This is akin to comparing apples to cucumbers. It's totally illogical and contradictory to compare a supposed perfect moral-spiritual man (Josiah) to a known imperfect moral-spiritual man. Common sense should tell everyone this.

5. To be a sinner means one sins. One does what one is. It's a total contradiction in terms to say a sinner obeys God's laws perfectly. Only someone morally- spiritually perfect, faultless, flawless, without spot or blemish and without sin can keep God's law perfectly all the time. And Jesus Christ does not share his glorious spotlight or his glory with any mere sinful mortal.

As stated earlier, the biblical and logical way to understand the hyperbolic language in 2Ki 22:2, within the larger context of all scripture, and avoid all confusion, all inconsistencies and all contradictions is to understand the passage as saying that both kings substantially and essentially led godly, righteous lives -- but not faultless lives, not perfect lives, not flawless lives. For if any mere mortal could live a perfectly moral-spiritual life, that person would be as sinless as Jesus was.

Look up the definition of "essence".

Isaiah 5:20-21; Proverbs 26:12b
Thank you for the inspiration .

Here's another one from Isaiah, @Cameron ... this certainly applies to all who claim the natural man is "good."

Did the Son of David ever wander to the left or the right? A mere stumble = imperfection. Thanks for making my case that Josiah was an imperfect moral being.

The only people that would accept your nonsense are those who want mankind to be labeled as created morally and spiritually corrupt.

You are simply attacking a strawman of your own making. No one is using terms such as "sinless" or "morally perfect human beings" except you. We all know that King David and King Josiah committed sin, no one is denying this. You seem to just want to argue.

So take your strawman down

Who here has claimed that the natural man is good? Straw man.

Did the Son of David ever wander to the left or the right? A mere stumble = imperfection. Thanks for making my case that Josiah was an imperfect moral being.

You mean he's EVIL?

Who hete has claimed that Josiah was morally perfect, Straw man wrestler.

He becomes corrupted WHEN he sins. He becomes partially evil and therefore is no longer very good. But he is still capable of doing good, but after he falls into sin, he struggles and often fails to perform the good he wills to do. He cannot keep on doing good all the time. But he can avoid doing evil all the time.

Did David stumble to the left or rigjt and stay there. The Hebrew of Is. 22:2 days he and Josiah did not stay there. That's what the Bible means by walking in all the way of David. Following his steps by repenting of sins and not remaining in them.

But only by the HEARING OF FAITH are you able to KNOW that the promises are YOURS.

90% of what the religious communities call "Faith" isn't FAITH at all - just intellectual assent. The Biblical definition is Heb 11:1, specifically FAITH has "Substance". "Belief" has no "substance" at all. FAITH is an EVIDENCE of the existence of what you don't see - yet. "Belief" is an "evidence" of nothing at all.

When God spoke to Abram about leaving everything, and going to a place He'd show him, THAT WAS THE HEARING OF FAITH.

When the Holy SPirit tells you in a manner you can understand to DO SOMETHING (pray for somebody, help somebody, give somebody money-etc., speak healing over somebody )- that's the "Hearing of faith". When the Holy Spirit CONVICTS YOU OF YOUR SIN, and lets you know about approaching judgement, that's the "hearing of faith".

Biblically (Rom 10:17) reveals how FAITH comes - by hearing God's WORD TO YOU. READING the Word is one thing but now and again God will "Make the word come alive TO YOU - that's the "Hearing of faith.

Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, etc. are NOT FAITHS - they're just "Theological systems"/Church corporations.

Suffice it so say that it is God who gives eternal life to anybody and everybody who simply and only believes in Jesus Christ for it.

It is a aberration to insist God must provide individual revelation prior to belief in order to trust Christ for the gift.

God's invitation to be saved through the gospel is a sincere and legitimate offer only if any and every person can believe it.
If people are unable to believe than the offer is not legitimate.

If God must regenerate people before they can believe the gospel, then the invitation is not really to all people, but only to those already born again. But this is contrary to biblical statements that the gospel is for all
(John 3:16; 2 Cor. 5:19-20; 1 Tim. 2:3-6; 1 John 2:2).

Suffice it so say that it is God who gives eternal life to anybody and everybody who simply and only believes in Jesus Christ for it.

It is a aberration to insist God must provide individual revelation prior to belief in order to trust Christ for the gift.

If people are unable to believe than the offer is not legitimate.

If God must regenerate people before they can believe the gospel, then the invitation is not really to all people, but only to those already born again.