Is God outside of time?

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Hakawaka

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Lets discuss this together. I have said it, "God is outside of time." "Time is created"

Many people have said it, but is this anywhere in the Bible? A poster by the name of @PaulThomson wrote a question asking if this was so, biblically. And I would like for him and the rest of you to chime in on the subject.

What does the Bible teach? Is eternity OUTSIDE of time, or is eternity just time that keeps going on and on.
 

Aussie52

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My understanding is that the idea that God dwells in the Eternal Now comes from Greek philosophy, not Scripture.
 

gb9

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..before Abrham, I am.

so, outside of time...
 

cv5

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..before Abrham, I am.

so, outside of time...
Correct. The self description "I AM" denotes that God alone inhabits the present at all times, and is outside of time. But He can enter time whenever He chooses.....and remain outside of it at the same time.

"I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last".
Furthermore God encompasses all of time all at the same time, and because of His will time exists.
 

daisyseesthesun

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Cs lewis wrote about this very subject in mere christianity


“A man put it to me by saying ‘I can believe in God all right, but what I cannot swallow is the idea of Him attending to several hundred million human beings who are all addressing Him at the same moment.'”

“Most of us can imagine God attending to any number of applicants if only they came one by one and He had an endless time to do it in. So what is really at the back of this difficulty is the idea of God having to fit too many things into one moment of time”


“Our life comes to us moment by moment One moment disappears before the next comes along: and there is room for very little in each. That is what Time is like”


We tend to assume that the whole universe and God Himself are always moving on from past to future just as we do. But many learned men do not agree with that. It was the Theologians who first started the idea that some things are not in Time at all: later the Philosophers took it over: and now some of the scientists are doing the same.


“His life does not consist of moments following one another. If a million people are praying to Him at ten-thirty tonight, He need not listen to them all in that one little snippet which we call ten-thirty. Ten-thirty-and every other moment from the beginning of the world-is always the Present for Him”


Suppose I am writing a novel. I write “Mary laid down her work; next moment came a knock at the door!” For Mary who has to live in the imaginary time of my story there is no interval between putting down the work and hearing the knock. But I, who am Mary’s maker, do not live in that imaginary time at all. Between writing the first half of that sentence and the second, I might sit down for three hours and think steadily about Mary. I could think about Mary as if she were the only character in the book and for as long as I pleased, and the hours I spent in doing so would not appear in Mary’s time (the time inside the story) at all.


“God is not hurried along in the Time-stream of this universe any more than an author is hurried along in the imaginary time of his own novel He has infinite attention to spare for each one of us…. You are as much alone with Him as if you were the only being He had ever created. When Christ died, He died for you individually just as much as if you had been the only man in the world”

“The way in which my illustration breaks down is this. In it the author gets out of one Time-series (that of the novel) only by going into another Time-series (the real one). But God, I believe, does not live in a Time-series at all. His life is not dribbled out moment by moment like ours: with Him it is, so to speak, still 1920 and already 1960. For His life is Himself”

“If you picture Time as a straight line along which we have to travel, then you must picture God as the whole page on which the line is drawn. We come to the parts of the line one by one: we have to leave A behind before we get to B, and cannot reach C until we leave B behind. God, from above or outside or all round, contains the whole line, and sees it all.

The Christians said that the eternal God who is everywhere and keeps the whole universe going, once became a human being. Well then, said I, how did the whole universe keep going while He was a baby, or while He was asleep? How could He at the same time be God who knows everything and also a man asking his disciples “Who touched me?

“You will notice that the sting lay in the time words: ‘While He was a baby’-‘How could He at the same time?’ In other words I was assuming that Christ’s life as God was in time, and that His life as the man Jesus in Palestine was a shorter period taken out of that time – just as my service in the army was a shorter period taken out of my total life… We picture God living through a period when His human life was still in the future: then coming to a period when it was present: then going on to a period when He could look back on it as something in the past”


“You cannot fit Christ’s earthly life in Palestine into any time-relations with His life as God beyond all space and time. It is really, I suggest, a timeless truth about God that human nature, and the human experience of weakness and sleep and ignorance, are somehow included in His whole divine life. This human life in God is from our point of view a particular period in the history of our world (from the year A.D. one till the Crucifixion). We therefore imagine it is also a period in the history of God’s own existence”


“But God has no history. He is too completely and utterly real to have one. For, of course, to have a history means losing part of your reality (because it had already slipped away into the past) and not yet having another part (because it is still in the future): in fact having nothing but the tiny little present, which has gone before you can speak about it. God forbid we should think God was like that. Even we may hope not to be always rationed in that way”

“Everyone who believes in God at all believes that He knows what you and I are going to do tomorrow. But if He knows I am going to do so-and-so, how can I be free to do otherwise?”


“…the difficulty comes from thinking that God is progressing along the Time-line like us: the only difference being that He can see ahead and we cannot. Well, if that were true, if God foresaw our acts, it would be very hard to understand how we could be free not to do them”


“But suppose God is outside and above the Time-line. In that case, what we call ‘tomorrow’ is visible to Him in just the same way as what we call ‘today.’ All the days are ‘Now’ for Him. He does not remember you doing things yesterday; He simply sees you doing them, because, though you have lost yesterday. He has not. He does not ‘foresee’ you doing things tomorrow; He simply sees you doing them: because, though tomorrow is not yet there for you, it is for Him.


“You never supposed that your actions at this moment were any less free because God knows what you are doing. Well, He knows your tomorrow’s actions in just the same way-because He is already in tomorrow and can simply watch you. In a sense, He does not know your action till you have done it: but then the moment at which you have done it is already ‘Now’ for Him”
 

Nehemiah6

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What does the Bible teach?
Since it is God who gave us the revelation of creation, He is also the one who counted the days of creation from day one (albeit in the Hebrew way of reckoning time with evening coming before morning - and sunset to sunset as the measure of 24 hours).

But on day four he put the sun and moon in the heavens to continue to measure human time. Lunar time was used by the Hebrews and Israel for months and years. The day was measured with a sundial in the Bible.

However since God is "from everlasting to everlasting" time does not apply to Him.
 

Omegatime

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Mostly I see foolish talk. Everything set by examples in the scriptures are set by time

But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Because you fail to understand God,s time and timetable you say time is meaningless to our Lord!

Why do you think creation was seven days?

Why were there no days or months to one being born or died in Genesis 5?

Feasts of the Lord were all designed by time.

Do you think it was haphazard that the Lord was crucified on Passover? Or raised on Festival of First Fruits?

Do you ask the Lord to open your feeble mind to understand the scriptures, or to suit yourself?

There are a thousand other questions just like this
 

Nehemiah6

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Do you ask the Lord to open your feeble mind to understand the scriptures, or to suit yourself?
I agree with everything else you said, but there was no need for this remark. Hakawaka simply wanted to open up a discussion. I believe he wants to simply know Bible truth. A lot of people ("Christians") claim that God has limitations. But that is false. Had God chosen He could have created everything in less than a day, or even less than an hour.
 

Omegatime

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I agree with everything else you said, but there was no need for this remark. Hakawaka simply wanted to open up a discussion. I believe he wants to simply know Bible truth. A lot of people ("Christians") claim that God has limitations. But that is false. Had God chosen He could have created everything in less than a day, or even less than an hour.
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I didn't direct it at Hakawaka or meant it to be distasteful
 

Adstar

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Lets discuss this together. I have said it, "God is outside of time." "Time is created"

Many people have said it, but is this anywhere in the Bible? A poster by the name of @PaulThomson wrote a question asking if this was so, biblically. And I would like for him and the rest of you to chime in on the subject.

What does the Bible teach? Is eternity OUTSIDE of time, or is eternity just time that keeps going on and on.
He is outside Our universe time.. Thats for sure..
 

Hakawaka

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Mostly I see foolish talk. Everything set by examples in the scriptures are set by time

But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Because you fail to understand God,s time and timetable you say time is meaningless to our Lord!

Why do you think creation was seven days?

Why were there no days or months to one being born or died in Genesis 5?

Feasts of the Lord were all designed by time.

Do you think it was haphazard that the Lord was crucified on Passover? Or raised on Festival of First Fruits?

Do you ask the Lord to open your feeble mind to understand the scriptures, or to suit yourself?

There are a thousand other questions just like this
God surely has a timetable and its no coincidence these things happen. The book of Revelation and the Bible in general is big on numbers. Number 7 seems to come up regularly. 12 tribes, 12 apostles.
 

Magenta

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there was no need for this remark.
You're one to talk. Shall we start adding up all your needless remarks? If one does a search for the
word "stupid" in your post stream, so many entries come up the system cannot display them all.
 

Omegatime

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Couple of my favorite time stories is about the Feast of Passover and Pentecost.

After the Passover supper when Jesus and his disciples camped in a garden called Gethsemane on the Mount of Olives. Jesus returned 3 times to find his disciples sleeping. Why was this recorded? Because in Exodus 12:42 it says:

It was a night of watching by the Lord, to bring them out of the land of Egypt; so this same night is a night of watching kept to the Lord by all the people of Israel throughout their generations. This night was Passover which would bring the blood sacrifice to a conclusion for sins.
In the creation story the Lord said it was good or very good meaning it was exactly the way God had planned it. Another way of saying it is it was time of no sin. And what represents no sin for seven days in the scriptures? Only one time. The Feast of Unleavened Bread. And when Adam and Eve sinned the Lord made clothing for them from animals, beginning of the blood sacrifice. Time from Passover to Passover as Adam was made on the day of Passover.

As about3 thousand souls were killed at Mt Sinai for making the golden calf, about 3 thousand souls were saved when Peter rose up and spoke on Pentecost. God is a good book keeper about 1500 years apart. Law kills but the Spirit gives life
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Lets discuss this together. I have said it, "God is outside of time." "Time is created"

Many people have said it, but is this anywhere in the Bible? A poster by the name of @PaulThomson wrote a question asking if this was so, biblically. And I would like for him and the rest of you to chime in on the subject.

What does the Bible teach? Is eternity OUTSIDE of time, or is eternity just time that keeps going on and on.
Word games.

What we DO KNOW biblically is that God's time is different than ours (if 1 day = 1000 years). Beyond that, it's all "Theology" and "Religion".
 

Nehemiah6

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What we DO KNOW biblically is that God's time is different than ours (if 1 day = 1000 years).
That's not God's time but man's time as seen by God. But God also speaks of man's time as seen by men. Days, weeks, months, years are all found in Scripture. The 30-day month is in Scripture. God has no "time" since eternity has no time limit.
 

Lafftur

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Lets discuss this together. I have said it, "God is outside of time." "Time is created"

Many people have said it, but is this anywhere in the Bible? A poster by the name of @PaulThomson wrote a question asking if this was so, biblically. And I would like for him and the rest of you to chime in on the subject.

What does the Bible teach? Is eternity OUTSIDE of time, or is eternity just time that keeps going on and on.
Perhaps Eternity is when Time stops and we are just like God… He is creating us to be just like Him… His offspring, His children… the same yesterday, today and forever. We will not change anymore.

Satan is in an absolutely jealous rage because he wanted to be like the Most High….he sooooooo hates us.
 

Omegatime

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Genesis 1:

And God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
 

JohnRH

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Lets discuss this together. I have said it, "God is outside of time." "Time is created"

Many people have said it, but is this anywhere in the Bible? A poster by the name of @PaulThomson wrote a question asking if this was so, biblically. And I would like for him and the rest of you to chime in on the subject.

What does the Bible teach? Is eternity OUTSIDE of time, or is eternity just time that keeps going on and on.
I can't answer that, but it makes me wonder; is 'infinity' a number?