How should Christians view the Ukraine/Russia situation?

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SomeDisciple

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if you currently believe that Vance is going to stop all help to Ukraine.....you really shouldn't believe any politician so readily. Russia is currently moving at breakneck speed to conquer as much as possible before the election and transfer....because he knows a world of cesspool is coming.
I don't expect a Trump administration to stop helping Ukraine outright; but I do expect it to place extreme pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to make peace, whether they want to or not.

Tim Pool is effectively silenced as well as several other pro Russian propaganda influencers.
Actually... the media exposure due to these charges has made his own channels' viewership explode... He has more followers than ever now.
They are all going to jail for knowingly being paid to promote Russian propaganda.
Seems unlikely at this point.
 

SomeDisciple

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Unfortunately, I don't think we've seen the last of Taylor Hansen... he's been banned before (multiple times, i think), and despite being front and center of Jan.6 there were no repercussions for him that I am aware of... He's probably the one who informed the FBI to begin with. He was a Tenet employee as opposed to the sponsored program creators.
 

Nehemiah6

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I don't expect a Trump administration to stop helping Ukraine outright...
Trump said he would stop funding Ukraine totally. And that is a good thing. That will help Ukraine come to the table. Right now Zelensky is crazy and wants to start WWIII by lobbing missiles deep within Russian.

Funding Ukraine with hundreds of billions was meant to destroy the financial stability of America (and its military capability also), and make all of Europe unstable. This was Western insanity to cover up the crimes of Western leaders against their own people. And Biden led with this insanity.
 

SomeDisciple

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Trump said he would stop funding Ukraine totally. And that is a good thing. That will help Ukraine come to the table. Right now Zelensky is crazy and wants to start WWIII by lobbing missiles deep within Russian.

Funding Ukraine with hundreds of billions was meant to destroy the financial stability of America (and its military capability also), and make all of Europe unstable. This was Western insanity to cover up the crimes of Western leaders against their own people. And Biden led with this insanity.
The thing is, he cannot simply stop funding himself directly because the funding comes from Congress. Even if he successfully stops the war; there is a chance that they will continue to dump money into Ukraine for reconstruction... but at least at that point they are spending money to build stuff, instead of blowing things up. Of course, if the annexation of the Donbas stands, Russia will be paying for reconstruction there; but then there's the matter of Western Ukraine potentially joining NATO- in which case we will probably end up fortifying Ukraine and beefing up their capabilities to set up "cold war 3". There's definitely no easy way out.
 

GaryA

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9. A lot of Americans are living in the past where Russia and Putin were the "black hats" and the American politicians were the "white hats". Those days are long gone and Biden is more evil than Putin. Putin wants o make Russia great again, while Biden (and now Kamala) want to utterly destroy it .
There is a lot of truth to the above quoted statement - especially the highlighted sentence.

People trying to understand this conflict through some nationalistic lens will never really see the full and entire picture.
Mostly because the "nationalistic lens" is not looking at the real truth about the big picture.

Most of them (in Ukraine and Russia) only know what they are told.
The same is true about the rest of the world - including the U.S.A.

Funding Ukraine with hundreds of billions was meant to destroy the financial stability of America (and its military capability also), and make all of Europe unstable. This was Western insanity to cover up the crimes of Western leaders against their own people. And Biden led with this insanity.
This is only part of it - there is something else far more sinister happening in Ukraine.

All of this stuff y'all are talking about is only the cover story - to cover up the activities of the DS in Ukraine - which, right now, is at the very center of the world-wide child sex trade/trafficking operations that have been proliferate in most of the world - and also - adrenochrome production.

This is where a great many of the billions have been spent - not military action - but, to cover the "secrets" of the DS and their involvement in their two favorite things - child sex abuse and adrenochrome addiction.

It is disgusting that this is actually what is driving most everything happening in the world today.

And, yes - the DS wants everyone to divide over the "surface issues" - while they do incredible evil against the entire human race - in plain view - while/where no one sees it because of the distraction of the "surface issues"... (This is the same 'ol game they have been playing for decades - even centuries.)

And, all of you have fallen victim to it - because, you have been led astray by Satan - who is the great deceiver.

Don't think for one second that you are too good of a Christian or whatever to have escaped this reality - all of us have been lied to our entire lives about virtually everything. There are more "secrets" in this world than just about anything else (covered and kept by deception) - this is the reality of the world we live in - run ["into the ground"] by Satan.

As Christians - when are you going to understand that Satan has turned our world into a world of deception (with more lies than the truth - "everything is a lie") - and start discerning that there is far more to everything you see than just what you see ??? When are you going to believe what the Bible says about the "wiles of the devil" (Ephesians 6:11) and his ability to deceive the whole world (Revelation 12:9) ???

"Wake up sleeping Christians!"

The Bible is the source of the beginning of this kind of discernment - the kind that can see things as they really are.

This 'war' is less about all of the things people think it is and more about things people don't even know about.

Stop arguing and start digging deeper - there is far more evil in the world than most of you can even imagine.

"Food for thought..."

Romans 13:

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
 

JohnDB

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Wow,
I just read some nuts stuff....Russia is not our friend. The USA is not going bankrupt or in danger of doing so by giving Ukraine weapons. We are in danger of being viewed as liars and making all treaties void by lying and not supporting Ukraine.

https://x.com/GlasnostGone/status/1833083633147478052
 

Angela53510

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John and Nehemiah you are both correct on a lot of points by the way.
I also see that a new girl from Ukraine just joined which we can invite here if she’s willing to discuss her point of view but I doubt it.
I am far from new. I've been in this forum longer than almost anyone, except Robop, at this point. I joined in Jan of 2011. However, I am often not off this forum, because I haven't been well since I had COVID in 2022. I have Rheumatoid Arthritis, and it makes it difficult to type, among other things.

I do not live in Ukraine, but my grandparents & great grandparents lived there. We celebrated Ukrainian Christmas 13 days after English Christmas , and Ukrainian Easter 13 days after the Gregorian calendar at my Baba's* house in Canada. . I have lots of family in western Ukraine, but also some in eastern Ukraine, where I have many second & third cousins. And great grandparents, before they passed away.

I identify very strongly as a Ukrainian Canadian. And I get a lot of my information directly from Ukraine and my first cousin in Canada, who is in constant contact with our family there.

Sorry I didn't come back sooner to counter Nehemiah's false information which I assume he got from Russian propagandists!

*Baba = grandmother
 

Angela53510

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Don't you think this should be in the News forum, since there are no Scriptures related to this issue?
I agree- this should be in the News Forum..

So let's look at the historical "facts"

1. Ukraine was always a part of the Russian empire, sad later became a part of the Soviet Union.

No! Rus was its own empire for many centuries, 9th -12th, when the Mongols invaded. Moscow and Russia did not exist. The retreating Mongols built Moscow in the 14th century.

Next to rule Ukraine was Lithuania, then Poland. Then Austria. That was who ruled western Ukraine before & during WWI. Because Austria was on the losing side, it no longer ruled any states. From 1918-21, Ukraine had its first independent state. Then Russia attacked western Ukraine, and lost, and Poland took it over from 1922 -1939. Obviously WWII broke out in 1939, and that was the first time the communists ruled western Ukraine, although they had ruled Eastern Ukrainian and starved 6 million farmers & peasants with his ill fated attempt to bring in collectivization to Ukraine. (The Holomodor!) That was 1932-33. Stalin killed the elite of eastern Ukraine in 1937-38. Stalin was a megalomaniac, who Putin admires! He killed over 100K of Ukraine's finest in 1937-38.

After 2 decades of oppressive Russian (communist rule) Ukrainians thought they would be better off with anyone than Stalin, who was conscripting young Ukrainian men to fight Hitler. Except the Ukrainian men that joined the German army did not know Stalin had taught Hitler all his most maniacal tricks. Once the Holocaust started, most of them realized they had jumped out of Stalin's frypan into Hitler's fire! They could not go back and join the Soviet army, because they would have been killed as traitors.


2. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1999, Ukraine and many other satellite countries broke away. But Ukraine always had a Russian presence within it, and their cultures are very similar. They all are
Slavic.

Ukraine established its independence in 1991. Feel free to look it up on the internet. Your dates are wrong!

There was a Russia presence in eastern Ukraine, which started by oppression from Ivan the terrible in 1533, followed by Peter the Great & Catherine the Great. They all banned Ukrainian language and culture. Schools & universities had to teach in Russian. They destroyed the Ukrainian language in Eastern Ukraine, although
Since Putin invading, they are all learning Ukrainian, which is a completely different language, despite both languages using Cyrillic script. Saying they are the same language would be like someone saying English and Spanish are the same language, cause they both use Latin letters! In fact, some letter differ in Ukrainian & Russian Cyrillic.


3. Vladimir Putin established himself as virtual king.

Actually, he would be a Tsar in Russia, not a king. But no one wanted the Tsars back, and the communist leaders were always dictators of the worst sort. Putin was no different! Putin kills his political opposition.

4. He targeted Crimea because of its location, and because he knew that Barack Obama was gutless, he went ahead and annexed Crimea. The West just sat back.

Stalin targeted the Crimea because it was the traditional vacation place for the Tsars and then the rich communist leaders. It was also a deep sea port that was open all year. Crimea was formerly the Kingdom of the Tartars, and Russia exiled them all to Siberia. Putin used that as his excuse in 2014 to attack the Crimea. He should have been stopped right then. I agree with you, it was not part of the Democratic Party's plan- to go to war with Russia.

Ukraine has paid too high a price for too long! Slava Ukraine!
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j55

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As Gods Elect. I view it as Bible prophecy.

Zechariah chapter 6

Four chariots and two mountains of brass. Two mountain are Nations. Talking about Russia and America, end times. Genesis chapter 25. Esua and Jacob. God told Rebekah, two nations are in your womb.

Esua is Russia and America, with Christian natioms. The four chartiots are war horses. The white chartiots went North. To Russia. This is satanic.

The grisled chartiots went South. To middle East. Russia attacked Ukraine two years ago.

Hamas attacks Israel last Year. Now Israel is pounding Lebanon. And currently trading missiles with Iran. Understand this. Satan starts wars.

Matthew chapter 24
Jesus told us, there would be wars and rumors of wars. Nation rising against nation. Satan as antichrist will come 6th Trump, to bring world peace, when wars can't be controlled.

Duertonmony chapter 32

God wounds and heals. God will allow Satan as antichrist to heal deadly wound to the political system, revelation chapter 13.

The one world political system will receive deadly wound.

Bible prophecy is happening.
 

Eli1

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I am far from new. I've been in this forum longer than almost anyone, except Robop, at this point. I joined in Jan of 2011. However, I am often not off this forum, because I haven't been well since I had COVID in 2022. I have Rheumatoid Arthritis, and it makes it difficult to type, among other things.

I do not live in Ukraine, but my grandparents & great grandparents lived there. We celebrated Ukrainian Christmas 13 days after English Christmas , and Ukrainian Easter 13 days after the Gregorian calendar at my Baba's* house in Canada. . I have lots of family in western Ukraine, but also some in eastern Ukraine, where I have many second & third cousins. And great grandparents, before they passed away.

I identify very strongly as a Ukrainian Canadian. And I get a lot of my information directly from Ukraine and my first cousin in Canada, who is in constant contact with our family there.

Sorry I didn't come back sooner to counter Nehemiah's false information which I assume he got from Russian propagandists!

*Baba = grandmother
Sorry to hear about your troubles Angela and may God give you strength and healing.
I also said that comment in regards to a new member who she said that she was from Ukraine but JohnDB later told me that you are actually from Ukraine.
God bless you.