Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

Back to the original question---are the dead raised same time as the living? in a pre-tribulation rapture?

And just how many comings do you see?

It looks like you aren't a student of history. The world has been MUCH worse before.

Adopted as God does what God knows, to do as God did with Peter who was called to go to the Gentile and failed in it, yet did start at it in the house of Cornelius, yet his brethren would not accept it, when he told them about it happening without any of their laws or rituals to be given it as they got it.
So, Paul got called. Yes a Jewish first chosen too. Yet as Paul got taught he saw
there is no Jew, gentile or greek male or female, we are all now One with Father and Son, those that Father knows are his are God's and Son's as Won by Son on that cross once for us all to be new in love to all, not just a few as human flesh only knows how to love those that love them back, So the best I can see is to be dead to my first birth daily, willingly to see the new given me as the gift that can never be earned by any other flesh than Son's Jesus
As I said already, I think it would be an honor to be called and be here in the Armageddon. Yes not easy, but worth it to get others to believe God too, is the call for us all to believe God and never by force either, at least for me thanks
No matter there will be 144,000 sealed to tell others to not take the mark. God id good all the time as good is God all the time, from the movie "God is not dead"

I think so myself, yet it is not up to me, it is up to God, the same as when Son came and they would not recognize or believe Jesus as the Messiah straining out gnats and swallowed the camel. However the end comes to be, is however it will be, I see to stand in trust to God Father in risen Son thanks

I'm glad I won't be here for it. The darkness will be so overwhelming. No Holy Spirit. Man will be left to endure to the end.

Not worse that the great tribulation that is to come.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

All of those things you listed have happened many times before in history.

Yes. That 144,000 Jews from each tribe will be tasked with teaching the necessity for those in the tribulation period to become Jews, and to follow the Law of works as a perfection of their faith, as was the case before and after the cross, but before the revelation of the mystery taught only to Paul by Christ Jesus Himself. That is how we rightly divide the word of truth.

Good post.

MM

If, as a student of history, you believe there was ever a seven year period whereby half the world's population was wiped out, ALL the life in the seas were wiped out, all the fresh water rivers were turned to blood, and the many, many other things pointed out in Revelation, all in such a short time, I would have to ask where you got that?

MM

Matthew 24:21 has not come to pass. It is yet future. It's going to be much worse than anything that has happened in the past.

This is one of those constantly recurring threads. Which is fine, as there are constantly new people here.

You can simply search "what is the difference between the Rapture and the 2nd Coming" and get plenty of articles, videos, and pics like this one. There's a whole lot more Scripture that differentiates the two events, but this is a good start:

There's even more than this:

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

At the second coming of Christ Jesus, He will NOT be coming back in like manner as was the manner of His departure and that will be in the rapture.

In His departure, he was showering them with blessings and instructions. At His Second Coming, He will be coming in wrath and destruction. The very character in stark contrast between the two appearances of Christ, the rapture and the Second Coming, plus His garments being spattered with the blood of His enemies at His Second Coming, the contrast becomes even more pronounced.

Revelation 19:11, 13, 15
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. ...
13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. ...
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

One doesn't have to be a theologian to see that Christ's departure and the like manner of His coming for us in the rapture are polar opposites in relation to His Second Coming where His feet will touch down upon the earth, make war in the fierceness of His wrath, have a vesture of blood, smiting the nations...it escapes me how anyone could ever think they are one and the same, or that He had already come in 70 AD as is believed by most preterists.

Yes, the dead in Christ will be raised first. No question about that.

MM

Some say it has, some say it hasn't.
We shall see. Well, not me.

That's true, just as this is true:

Ephesians 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

This applies to many systems of doctrinal thought, much of which arise from mere religion and from allegorizational theology into which they try to force any and all of scripture that says what they don't like.

MM

Jesus said it Himself that the great tribulation will be the worse time ever (and will never be equaled again).

1. Matthew 24:21
   For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
   
   
2. Mark 13:19
   because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

That's the Lord Jesus is saying all this . So we can't just dismiss it and say, "Oh it won't be so bad" and ignore His warning to us.


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Beam, meet eye.

Yes, yet God remains with a plan in place, I am remaining willing as Jesus was when asking Father is there any other way, neverthe less not my will but your will. Went to that cross willingly, to safe us. Not revealed even to the disciples until afterwards.
i see to be willing for my Father whatever is needed thanks, I am elated you believe God in risen Son

Huh?

Willingness to serve in whatever capacity is indeed a good thing when applied properly, but when offered in spite of what's written to the contrary, it tends to teeter on the precipice of doubt for what the Lord has stated. The ripple effects of sentiments need to always remain in the balance of our thoughts so that we don't inadvertently blunder into the arena of false doctrine...with good intent, of course...

MM

There are many righteous dead other than those in the church.

The Rapture is only the resurrection of The Church.
For He will be taking home only His Bride for the marriage supper of the Lamb in the Rapture.