Question about women in the church.

I went to a new church yesterday with hopes of maybe being discipled, to get some guidance and help in the faith.

As well as the pastor speaking, a woman and the pastor's wife done a bit of preaching.

This doesn't seem right at all, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 comes to mind.

11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.


I have nothing against women but do against the modern day attitude influenced by feminism and western culture that blatantly goes against God's word.

Also it seems a bit disturbing that no one speaks out about this, pastor's, people who have been in the faith for a long time, you'd think they'd know better? Why are people just letting this happen?

It's not really that complicated; it comes down to money. If a congregation appears to be modern and with the times, it puts more butts in the seats. More butts in the seats = more cash flow. I'd just forget about them and keep moving until you find the right place for you.

Many denominations were founded by women or had one as a false prophetess. That's where they take Bible verses out of context to suit their church dogmas. Some just plain disregard the plain teaching of the Bible. I've even visited an independent fundamental Baptist churches that knew better. The pastor had his wife teach Sunday school to the men. His daughter was a homosexual teaching the children.
Rather than try to change the churches it's best to move on until you find a pastor who wants to follow God and do things His way.
Congregational teaching is a leadership activity. How can a woman teach a church and not be leading? That verse you cited is clear as it gets.

There are times women SHOULD preach. Mark 16:15 is given to disciples, Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Every saved man, woman and child should preach> The Good News of Jesus Christ gift< to others.
Women are to teach the younger women. They teach children as well as new believers. They problem is that most pastors are not believers and this is proven by their false gospel explained HERE.

The following explanation focuses on 1Timothy _2:11 &12 . .... It will also include 1Corinthians_ 14:34&35. ... Even though ...there are several reasons showing that 1Co 14:34 & 35... was a scribal interpolation... However, we must consider there is a slim chance that it was God breathed .... and as such.... the primary point of both ....will be covered in the explanation of 1Timothy.

I understand the emphatic stand that people take regarding this subject. But it is important to keep 1Timothy within the context of which was written. .... Culture was different... but the principle of the statement still remains.
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I Timothy is a pastoral epistle written to the leadership in the church (“church” meaning called of God “the body of Christ” ….not a physical structure.) Therefore, when reading this book... keep in mind “who” it is addressing, and “why”. We cannot take a few verses out of their context and make them a general application to all women within the body of Christ....that’s absurd!.... Context and to whom scriptures are addressed are primary discernments in biblical study.
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In 1 Timothy_2:9-15 ... the Word is dealing with the “wives” of the men of God
The word “woman” should read “wives” as we read through this section (as noted in 1Ti 3:1&2).
Realizing that..... should be enough to shut the door this subject ...as it is plainly stated also in 1Cor 14 .................so you could stop right here.

Or you can read my inner-verse dribble as I go on....

∎1Ti 2:11 Let the woman (wives) learn in silence with all subjection. ∎

“learn” = to be informed .... to understand, to learn by study and observation.

“silence” (Greek) = hesuchia... meaning – inner awareness, a quietness, tranquility. It’s just the opposite of vociferous.

There is a time for a person to keep quiet and a time to speak. The context here is talking about “wives of the men of God”. With that inner awareness...they will know when that time and palace is.

with all subjection = submission by loving obedience.


When the woman decided to marry the man, she made the decision that the man would be the head of her......like God is the head of the man. The wife has to become aware of the inner awareness of her man ....just as the man is with God.
This is not a subservient roll of control .... but rather it’s by loving obedience, by proper arrangement, and deliberate decision. It means there is 100% input from both parties, but the man (as the head of the household) would make the final decisions on any matters.


∎1Ti 2:12 But I suffer = (direct or instruct) not a “woman” (wife) to teach, nor to usurp authority over the “man” husband, but to be in silence. ∎

teach is the Greek word didaske = to debate.
(didaske) ....We get our word “teacher” from this Greek word. It’s used in the academic realm of a didactic course [a teaching course] But here is the beauty of this scripture.

In our teaching methods (typically) there is no debate..... But in the old Hebrew or the synagogue operation, anytime a teacher teaches.... anybody who wants to get up and question him can do so. God says - I instruct the wife not to debate in public with her man (who represents the word of God.) .... You can obviously see where this would belittle the man, showing great disrespect to the man of God, and the Word of God. Which ultimately ....it always comes down to respect of the Word of God... decently and in order]

to “usurp authority over” = to exercise power over, domineer.

but to be in “silence” – same word as in verse 11 (hesuchia) “the inner awareness”.



Both the roll of the Man and the Woman should be kept in the perspective of the Word. (marriage relationship, and leadership relationship) ...This is dealing with “wives” in the eastern culture.... and the setting (at that time) that took place.

The setting is where men would sit on one side and women on the other of the room after the teaching. The men would discuss/debate what was taught. [remember that word “didaske”... to debate]

Interruptions were obviously taking place in fellowships during that time (from the wives) to necessitate God... having this written.

Remember... this is not a large church structure.... keep in mind the times. The “churches” (structures) were the group settings and were primarily in home fellowships ....as dictated in the book of Acts. ..... All that God was saying was .....hold your opinion/discussion until you get home or after others have left.

Neither of these accounts In 1Timothy and 1Corinthians applies to “all” women, but as you can see it did apply to these specific settings and still applies to similar settings for obvious reasons.

Can woman teach the Word …absolutely! Can married woman teach the Word….. absolutely …→ within the confines of the written Word.....
If it’s a married woman... it is done with the “proper arrangement” between a husband and wife.

As for Women teaching the Church (body of believers) ....there is nothing in the Word that disallows an unmarried woman from that...... In fact, just the contrary. ....As there are several areas in the Word (both OT & NT) that show women teaching. Which contradict these verses in 1Timbo ....and 1 Cor..... > if it were to apply to all women.<

There is no restriction (biblically) on an unmarried woman who desires to teach the Word. And the restrictions on a married woman are by proper arrangement between a husband and a wife.

Should a woman be allowed to teach? Apparently God thinks it's alright. Joel 2:27-32, "Ye shall know that I am the Lord your God. I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and DAUGHTERS will prophesy."

That verse is about prophesying, not teaching, not about daughters leading or having authority over men.


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Professional pastors oftentimes don't have the liberty speak their minds
about certain things; not when they're basically an employee answering
to a church board.

BTW: Have you tried YouTube?
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They were definitely not leaders or teachers. Did you read the books of the major and minor prophets? They still answered to kings and priests.


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I agree with you! We need to find churches that agree with the Bible more than with our culture.

She wasn't teaching anyone anything though nor was she being an authority over them. She was telling the good news about Jesus. People who believe in Jesus regardless of gender are suppose to do this.


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Acts 18:24 Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was proficient in the Scriptures. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was accurately speaking and teaching things about Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; 26 and he began speaking boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God more accurately to him.
Does anyone dispute the fact that these two taught Apollos?
What about their ministry with Paul?
All three taught the people they met.
Priscilla is the prominent one of this husband & wife team, that's why her name is always mentioned first.
BTW, what about all the missionaries' wives who stayed in the work when their husbands died? Were they living in sin teaching/preaching to the people?

It is my opinion that many of the modern church is bound by the traditions of the elders like the Jews of Jesus' day.

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● 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.

It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's
instructions by quoting another of Paul's instructions. To wit:

"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were
baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew
nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ
Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)

(chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event,
both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ;
but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
because "the head of Christ is God"

NOTE: Beware becoming militant about this because it's neither a gender
issue, an intelligence issue, a competency issue, a strength issue, a maturity
issue, or even a human issue. This particular arrangement is based primarily
upon origin and seniority. (Gen 2:21-22, Gen 3:16, & 1Tim 2:13)
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● Col 1:15 . . He is the firstborn over all creation.

The position of the firstborn is very notable throughout the Bible, beginning
with Adam and finding its ultimate supremacy with Christ.

FAQ: How is Christ in the position of the supreme firstborn when so many of
his ancestors came before him? Shouldn't he be the junior and they the
senior?

REPLY: Jesus would normally be pretty low on the primogeniture totem pole
were it not that the position of the firstborn among men isn't set in concrete,
rather, it's possible to circumvent an elder and give his seniority to a junior,
for example:

Ishmael to Isaac (Gen 20:11-12) Esau to Jacob (Gen 25:23) Reuben to
Joseph (Gen 49:3-4, 1Chr 5:1) and Manasseh to Ephraim (Gen 48:13-14)

FAQ: Supposing a man's daughter is his eldest child. Wouldn't that eo ipso
make her his firstborn?

REPLY: The Bible's primogeniture hierarchy is restricted to men only. For
example let's say a man produces five daughters before finally producing a
son. The boy's five big sisters will all be his juniors and he the senior
regardless of how much older than the lad his five sisters might be.
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● 1Cor 14:34 . . Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not
allowed to speak; but must be in submission (i.e. defer to the men)

It could be argued, with some merit, that this rule applies only to tongues
and prophecy; but Paul expanded its scope in a letter to his friend Timothy.

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman
to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam
was first formed, then Eve." (1Tim 2:11-13)

It's important to note that this is neither a gender issue, nor a competence
issue, nor an intelligence issue when it's so obviously a seniority issue. For
that reason it's an act of contempt for one's betters when Christian women
step up to govern Christian men in a Christian congregation.

FAQ: What about women like Anne Graham Lotz and/or Tara-Leigh Cobble?
Aren't they out of order?

REPLY: The rule is limited to congregational activities. It doesn't include
public venue's, e.g. forums, town squares, street corners, coliseums,
stadiums, convention centers, radio, television, or social media like YouTube
and/or Facebook.

FAQ: What about Deborah in the Old Testament book of judges? Exactly how
was she an exception to the rule, if indeed she was?

REPLY: Things are quite a bit different now with Christ at the helm, i.e.
Christ's association with his church trumps Deborah's association with the
Jews. I do not recommend using her, or any other woman in the Bible, as an
excuse to circumvent Christ's instructions in matters pertaining to the
management of Christian congregations.

NOTE: Debbie was neither a priest nor a member of the Sanhedrin; her
involvement in the Jews' affairs was limited to her position as a judge, viz:
the Temple's sacred business was none of her business; that was strictly a
man's world.

* Paul appealed to "the law" as the basis for 1Cor 14:34. Normally when
Paul speaks of the law he's referring to the covenant that Moses' people
agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Exactly where in the covenant that women are forbidden to preach, or teach,
or usurp authority over men in matters of religion, I don't know. However,
it's quite obvious that the covenant is very sexist, i.e. women are not
permitted in either the priesthood or the Sanhedrin.

However; the law doesn't always speak explicitly about certain things.
Sometimes the law's rules and procedures imply principles that we call "the
spirit of the law". For example Jesus' critics were educated experts in the
black and white letter of the law relative to the weekly routine sabbath but
they were as illiterate as mannequins in regard to applying the spirit of the
sabbath. (Matt 12:1-13 & Mark 3:1-5)
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I have no idea about the history of the churches of Ephesus no but the scriptures here seem pretty clear and it sounds like it's referring to the church in general.

Could you explain a little or point me in the direction where to look?