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gb9

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Wow, what a blow to the border Czar.
well, that depends. on days where she is the border czar, that is bad news.

on days that she is not the border czar, then it will not matter.
 

Kroogz

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No, you've got that all wrong.

@Kroogz nailed it tidily in about 4 line items. Good job buddy.
At least everybody here knows where we stand........

I know you know this. 3 very Important things....

1. Get rid of all of our presuppositions

2. find our right pastor teacher.

3. Be filled with the Spirit when learning bible doctrine.( Permanent indwelling, but not always filled....1 John 1:9.)

All those questions start to melt away.
 

Cameron143

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No, you've got that all wrong.

@Kroogz nailed it tidily in about 4 line items. Good job buddy.
I'm hardly wrong. You merely reject what I have shared because the rest of your theology hangs on your current understanding of the passages.
 

cv5

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I'm hardly wrong. You merely reject what I have shared because.....
Because God did not slowly and gradually fix the pre-flood world. Because God did not slowly and gradually fix Sodom. And God did not slowly and gradually extract the Israelites from Egypt.
 

Cameron143

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Because God did not slowly and gradually fix the pre-flood world. Because God did not slowly and gradually fix Sodom. And God did not slowly and gradually extract the Israelites from Egypt.
Of course not. Christ had yet to come. One aspect of His coming was to destroy the works of the devil...1 John 3:8. This was accomplished at the cross, and has been progressively accomplished since then.
Before the cross, things were becoming progressively worse.
 

cv5

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Of course not. Christ had yet to come. One aspect of His coming was to destroy the works of the devil...1 John 3:8. This was accomplished at the cross, and has been progressively accomplished since then.
Before the cross, things were becoming progressively worse.
An utterly misinformed opinion.

Rev 17:7
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Jhn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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Do you realize that none of this can be gainsaid or refuted? Do you understand those passage.....at all?
You don't man. You do not know. Why do you not know? Ooooohhh......I know.
You do not have it. I know that you don't have it. I also know that you don't know that you don't have it.
Bummer for you.

Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
 

Cameron143

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An utterly misinformed opinion.

Rev 17:7
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Jhn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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Do you realize that none of this can be gainsaid or refuted? Do you understand those passage.....at all?
You don't man. You do not know. Why do you not know? Ooooohhh......I know.
You do not have it. I know that you don't have it. I also know that you don't know that you don't have it.
Bummer for you.

Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
So...you post a number of scriptures, give no explanation, and say I don’t understand. Try actually connecting some dots by actually explaining your understanding of scripture or move on. You haven't said anything.
 

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Robert Breaker has a burden for this discussion. He points out there are many references by God in the OT about Israelites in "the latter days" proving that they have not been replaced.
 

Cameron143

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Robert Breaker has a burden for this discussion. He points out there are many references by God in the OT about Israelites in "the latter days" proving that they have not been replaced.
Latter days of what? And again, it's not replacement. It is continuation.
His assumption is that latter days refers to a far distant future. He's dead wrong if latter days actually refers to the last days of something that currently exists in the first century. Since all prophecy finds it's ultimate fulfillment in Christ, the first century is the obvious reference.
 

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Latter days of what? And again, it's not replacement. It is continuation.
His assumption is that latter days refers to a far distant future. He's dead wrong if latter days actually refers to the last days of something that currently exists in the first century. Since all prophecy finds it's ultimate fulfillment in Christ, the first century is the obvious reference.
In Post 1747 you tell me this verse means that God is abolishing the covenant with Israel:

68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Imagine the mental gymnastics required to spin that story of this verse, and yet you don't know what the latter days refers to? I don't mind if people have strange doctrines, it is good to examine and test our understanding, but when they are clearly obtuse, that I despise.

Numbers 24:14 And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days.

This is a prophecy from Balaam to Balak, clearly are reference to the Jews vs the Gentiles.

But you asked "what latter days"?

Numbers 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

A star shall come out of Jacob, those latter days.


A supernova that just appeared in the sky but which exploded at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. The latter days refers to when this appears which first appeared this month.

 

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Of course not. Christ had yet to come. One aspect of His coming was to destroy the works of the devil...1 John 3:8.
This was accomplished at the cross, and has been progressively accomplished
since then. Before the cross, things were becoming progressively worse.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Thank you for the inspiration! I hope you and yours are well .:)
 

cv5

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So...you post a number of scriptures, give no explanation, and say I don’t understand. Try actually connecting some dots......
I just did. If you don't understand 6 dots, what makes you think you will understand if I were to provide a couple of dozen more?
I could provide a hundred more if I put my mind to it.

Whatever your level of comprehension or lack thereof, the fact is clear: you are barking up the wrong eschatological tree.
Nothing could possibly be more obvious. I mean......just turn on the news. What is happening, and going to happen, is undeniable.
 

Cameron143

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In Post 1747 you tell me this verse means that God is abolishing the covenant with Israel:

68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Imagine the mental gymnastics required to spin that story of this verse, and yet you don't know what the latter days refers to? I don't mind if people have strange doctrines, it is good to examine and test our understanding, but when they are clearly obtuse, that I despise.

Numbers 24:14 And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days.

This is a prophecy from Balaam to Balak, clearly are reference to the Jews vs the Gentiles.

But you asked "what latter days"?

Numbers 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

A star shall come out of Jacob, those latter days.


A supernova that just appeared in the sky but which exploded at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. The latter days refers to when this appears which first appeared this month.

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In Post 1747 you tell me this verse means that God is abolishing the covenant with Israel:

68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Imagine the mental gymnastics required to spin that story of this verse, and yet you don't know what the latter days refers to? I don't mind if people have strange doctrines, it is good to examine and test our understanding, but when they are clearly obtuse, that I despise.

Numbers 24:14 And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days.

This is a prophecy from Balaam to Balak, clearly are reference to the Jews vs the Gentiles.

But you asked "what latter days"?

Numbers 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

A star shall come out of Jacob, those latter days.


A supernova that just appeared in the sky but which exploded at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. The latter days refers to when this appears which first appeared this month.

You should read Matthew 21:28-22:14. Three parables wherein Jesus says the kingdom is taken from Israel..
21:43, and gives the timing...after His death. He employs three metaphors for Israel. The first is an unfaithful son who agrees to do as told but doesn't. The second is an owner of a vineyard who hires out to laborers but doesn't get His return, but who kill all the representatives and finally the Son. And lastly, a wedding feast that those invited refuse to attend.

God created this world and its inhabitants to be glorified. His plan was to do so by creating man in His image and filling the earth with His image. In this way, the glory of the knowledge of the Lord would fill the earth as the waters cover the sea...Genesis 1:28 and Habakkuk 2:14.
When sin entered in, God's image in man was corrupted. But God doesn't change His plan. Instead, He chooses to redeem fallen man, place His Spirit in man, and conform redeemed man to the image of Christ. In this way, God's image is not only restored to man but improved. And the redeemed make up the kingdom of God. That kingdom started the size of a mustard seed and has been expanding ever since. There are more Christians today than at any point in history. And that number will continue to grow until the large majority of mankind is Christian, and the knowledge of the glory of the Lord fills the earth.
 

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1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Thank you for the inspiration! I hope you and yours are well .:)
All well thanks. Blessings to you and yours as well.
 

Cameron143

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I just did. If you don't understand 6 dots, what makes you think you will understand if I were to provide a couple of dozen more?
I could provide a hundred more if I put my mind to it.

Whatever your level of comprehension or lack thereof, the fact is clear: you are barking up the wrong eschatological tree.
Nothing could possibly be more obvious. I mean......just turn on the news. What is happening, and going to happen, is undeniable.
You post 6 scriptures with no explanation. And I have no doubt you could supply a hundred more scriptures. But what you have failed to do is explain the scriptures both in context and in relation to other scriptures.
As far as current events, there have been plenty of times in history when political, economic, and social conditions have been poor. And the world still continues. Should we be aware? Sure. Should we fear? Hardly.