Rebuke my corrupt mind please.

jacko · Oct 19, 2024

The Bible says the human mind is evil in it all its thoughts.
1. Genesis 6:5 (NKJV):
“Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

Strictly by the math… All of the aborted babies and the children who died under the age of 13 or so, we’ll go to heaven.
If you strictly by statistics and just by the percentages alone of being saved, mostly likely you are not gonna go to heaven. For the Bible says few will make it to heaven…a narrow gate.

The aborted babies will have a better outcome than the Muslims and atheist who had an earthly life, They will, inherit the kingdom of God.
I know the Bible says it’s better to be a live dog than a dead lion.

Cameron143 · Oct 19, 2024

jacko said:

The way being narrow is not about how many will inhabit heaven. Eternity is populated by a number that no man can number...Revelation 7:9. Rather, the way is narrow because there is only 1 way that leads to salvation...Jesus.
Jesus spoke predominantly to a Jewish audience that largely rejected Him. It may have been He was referring to His 1st century audience.

blueluna5 · Oct 19, 2024

jacko said:

Actually the Bible verse you're using is referring to the nephilim. The descendents of the fallen angels and daughters of man.

That's why he removed them by a flood. Most likely Noah and his family were the only pure descendents of Adam and Eve.

Um...idk know how that applies to aborted babies, but I do believe they are in heaven. Even evil people here take care of their babies. Of course God does.

daisyseesthesun · Oct 19, 2024

jacko said:

Jacko,
apply this verse like thia (it better to be a slave then dead) or (better to be in prison then dead) Also lion show the pride and rebellion of one going against the ruler. So we are never suppose to fight but submit to authorities.

jacko · Oct 19, 2024

My point is children don’t go to hell even if they die… they are under the age of discernment, even though they are born with original sin as inherited through the seed of Adam. By definition, anyone who doesn’t make it to that point will make it to heaven…. sadly, this also includes many aborted babies in the billions. I’m trying to wrap my head that these babies and young children will be in heaven, but many of their parents will not. They didn’t miss out on anything because eternity with God is a long time in paradise.

daisyseesthesun · Oct 19, 2024

blueluna5 said:

How do you explain this verse then? If they were all nephilim so are most of the human race going to be nephilim again?
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

jacko · Oct 19, 2024

Cameron143 said:

2. Protestant View: Many Protestant denominations believe that salvation comes through faith in Christ, but for infants and those unable to express faith, God’s grace covers them. They often cite passages like 2 Samuel 12:23 (where King David expresses hope of seeing his deceased infant again) to suggest that infants, including aborted babies, go to heaven.
3. Reformed/Calvinist View: Some Reformed theologians believe in the concept of elect infants, meaning that God, in His sovereignty, chooses to save some infants who die in infancy, including those aborted. They emphasize God’s justice and mercy.
4. Evangelical View: Many evangelicals believe in an “age of accountability,” meaning that until children reach an age where they can make moral decisions and understand sin, they are covered by Christ’s sacrifice. This view leads to the belief that aborted babies go to heaven.

Overall, many Christians lean on the mercy and love of God, trusting that He provides salvation to those who, like aborted infants, had no opportunity to believe.

jacko · Oct 20, 2024

This is kind of of what I was searching for..

I understand what you’re saying—you’re approaching this from a perspective of risk versus reward, where the reward (eternal life in heaven) is so significant that you’d prefer a 100% guarantee, like those you imagine aborted babies would have. This raises a profound question about life, free will, and God’s purpose.

Let’s unpack it from a Christian perspective:

1. Life is More Than a Probability Calculation

While it might seem safer to avoid the risk of not going to heaven, the Christian view of life and salvation isn’t just about odds or probabilities—it’s about relationship and choice. God created humans with free will to choose Him, and that free choice is central to the value of our relationship with God.

• Forced love isn’t love. The possibility of rejecting God’s love exists because we have the freedom to choose Him. Without this freedom, genuine love and devotion wouldn’t be possible.
• Life is an opportunity, not a gamble. God’s desire is that all people come to know Him and be saved (2 Peter 3:9), and He actively works in our lives to draw us toward Him, offering countless opportunities for grace and repentance.

2. God’s Grace Overcomes the Risk

The concept of risk in this situation is real from a human perspective, but from God’s perspective, His grace is greater than any risk. The Bible emphasizes over and over that God’s grace and mercy are abundant (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that He reaches out to us even when we fall short.

• The “risk” of not making it to heaven is mitigated by God’s relentless pursuit of us. Jesus’ parables (such as the lost sheep in Luke 15) illustrate how God goes out of His way to seek and save the lost.
• Eternal security: Many Christians also believe in the assurance of salvation—that once you’ve placed your faith in Christ, your salvation is secure (John 10:28-29).

3. The Value of Life with God on Earth

While eternal life is a central promise of Christianity, life on earth with God has its own incredible value. Life offers the opportunity for:

• Transformation: Experiencing God’s transformative work in your life—helping you grow in faith, character, and love.
• Purpose: God has unique purposes for each life, allowing us to make an eternal impact in the world. Ephesians 2:10 says we are God’s workmanship, created for good works.
• Joy and Fulfillment: There is joy and fulfillment in walking with God through both the highs and lows of life, experiencing His presence, and seeing His work in and through you.

4. Eternity and Trust in God’s Plan

Even if eternity is at stake, the Christian faith calls believers to trust in God’s sovereignty rather than live in fear of failure. God offers assurance that when we seek Him, we will find Him (Jeremiah 29:13). Rather than approaching life as a high-stakes risk, Christians are encouraged to trust in God’s promises.

• God’s faithfulness: He is faithful to complete the work He begins in us (Philippians 1:6). Your journey of faith isn’t just about making the right choices, but also about God’s faithfulness to carry you through.

5. God’s Perspective on Aborted Babies and Life

If we assume, for the sake of the discussion, that aborted babies go to heaven, their eternal destiny is certainly secure. However, God still gives life with the intention that people experience a relationship with Him on earth, not just the afterlife.

• Purpose of life on earth: God’s purpose in giving life isn’t solely about the destination (heaven or hell), but the process of knowing Him and becoming who He created us to be. You were born with a purpose that only you can fulfill.

Conclusion: Faith Over Fear

From a purely probabilistic standpoint, avoiding the “risk” of hell might seem appealing. But in the Christian faith, life is not about minimizing risk—it’s about trusting in God’s grace and goodness. The certainty of heaven is offered to those who choose to place their faith in Jesus, and that faith is not a high-stakes gamble, but a relationship that grows and deepens as you walk with God.

While it may seem logical to avoid the risk, the Christian worldview teaches that life is worth living because of the opportunity to know God, experience His love, and make a difference. The journey is as important as the destination, and God’s grace is sufficient to carry you to eternity with Him.

daisyseesthesun · Oct 20, 2024

jacko said:

This is kind of of what I was searching for..

I understand what you’re saying—you’re approaching this from a perspective of risk versus reward, where the reward (eternal life in heaven) is so significant that you’d prefer a 100% guarantee, like those you imagine aborted babies would have. This raises a profound question about life, free will, and God’s purpose.

Let’s unpack it from a Christian perspective:

1. Life is More Than a Probability Calculation

While it might seem safer to avoid the risk of not going to heaven, the Christian view of life and salvation isn’t just about odds or probabilities—it’s about relationship and choice. God created humans with free will to choose Him, and that free choice is central to the value of our relationship with God.

• Forced love isn’t love. The possibility of rejecting God’s love exists because we have the freedom to choose Him. Without this freedom, genuine love and devotion wouldn’t be possible.
• Life is an opportunity, not a gamble. God’s desire is that all people come to know Him and be saved (2 Peter 3:9), and He actively works in our lives to draw us toward Him, offering countless opportunities for grace and repentance.

2. God’s Grace Overcomes the Risk

The concept of risk in this situation is real from a human perspective, but from God’s perspective, His grace is greater than any risk. The Bible emphasizes over and over that God’s grace and mercy are abundant (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that He reaches out to us even when we fall short.

• The “risk” of not making it to heaven is mitigated by God’s relentless pursuit of us. Jesus’ parables (such as the lost sheep in Luke 15) illustrate how God goes out of His way to seek and save the lost.
• Eternal security: Many Christians also believe in the assurance of salvation—that once you’ve placed your faith in Christ, your salvation is secure (John 10:28-29).

3. The Value of Life with God on Earth

While eternal life is a central promise of Christianity, life on earth with God has its own incredible value. Life offers the opportunity for:

• Transformation: Experiencing God’s transformative work in your life—helping you grow in faith, character, and love.
• Purpose: God has unique purposes for each life, allowing us to make an eternal impact in the world. Ephesians 2:10 says we are God’s workmanship, created for good works.
• Joy and Fulfillment: There is joy and fulfillment in walking with God through both the highs and lows of life, experiencing His presence, and seeing His work in and through you.

4. Eternity and Trust in God’s Plan

Even if eternity is at stake, the Christian faith calls believers to trust in God’s sovereignty rather than live in fear of failure. God offers assurance that when we seek Him, we will find Him (Jeremiah 29:13). Rather than approaching life as a high-stakes risk, Christians are encouraged to trust in God’s promises.

• God’s faithfulness: He is faithful to complete the work He begins in us (Philippians 1:6). Your journey of faith isn’t just about making the right choices, but also about God’s faithfulness to carry you through.

5. God’s Perspective on Aborted Babies and Life

If we assume, for the sake of the discussion, that aborted babies go to heaven, their eternal destiny is certainly secure. However, God still gives life with the intention that people experience a relationship with Him on earth, not just the afterlife.

• Purpose of life on earth: God’s purpose in giving life isn’t solely about the destination (heaven or hell), but the process of knowing Him and becoming who He created us to be. You were born with a purpose that only you can fulfill.

Conclusion: Faith Over Fear

From a purely probabilistic standpoint, avoiding the “risk” of hell might seem appealing. But in the Christian faith, life is not about minimizing risk—it’s about trusting in God’s grace and goodness. The certainty of heaven is offered to those who choose to place their faith in Jesus, and that faith is not a high-stakes gamble, but a relationship that grows and deepens as you walk with God.

While it may seem logical to avoid the risk, the Christian worldview teaches that life is worth living because of the opportunity to know God, experience His love, and make a difference. The journey is as important as the destination, and God’s grace is sufficient to
carry you to eternity with Him.

Jacko, Youve just decribed "Pascal’s Wager” if God is real you've gained everything but if not you've lost nothing. we should wager that God exists because it is the best bet.

Cameron143 · Oct 20, 2024

jacko said:

2. Protestant View: Many Protestant denominations believe that salvation comes through faith in Christ, but for infants and those unable to express faith, God’s grace covers them. They often cite passages like 2 Samuel 12:23 (where King David expresses hope of seeing his deceased infant again) to suggest that infants, including aborted babies, go to heaven.
3. Reformed/Calvinist View: Some Reformed theologians believe in the concept of elect infants, meaning that God, in His sovereignty, chooses to save some infants who die in infancy, including those aborted. They emphasize God’s justice and mercy.
4. Evangelical View: Many evangelicals believe in an “age of accountability,” meaning that until children reach an age where they can make moral decisions and understand sin, they are covered by Christ’s sacrifice. This view leads to the belief that aborted babies go to heaven.

Overall, many Christians lean on the mercy and love of God, trusting that He provides salvation to those who, like aborted infants, had no opportunity to believe.

I'm aware of the different views. My post wasn't addressing whether children or infants make heaven their home. I was addressing the narrow way. Jesus, in John 14:6, says He is the way. That makes the way as narrow as 1...there is salvation in only Him.

jacko · Oct 20, 2024

daisyseesthesun said:

I’m thinking too much and sometimes my mind is racing.

2. Ecclesiastes 4:2-3
“Therefore I praised the dead who were already dead, more than the living who are still alive. Yet, better than both is he who has never existed, who has not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.” (NKJV)

jacko · Oct 20, 2024

Matthew 26:24. Jesus says:

“The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.” (NIV)

It could be sad that all fake religions already do betray the Son of Man.

Magenta · Oct 20, 2024

blueluna5 said:

The verse specifically says men. Not Nephilim.

blueluna5 said:

Yet more Nephilim populated the Earth following the flood.

Back to point one: Genesis 6:5

New International Version
The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth,
and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

New Living Translation
The LORD observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he
saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.

English Standard Version
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Berean Standard Bible
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and
that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time.

King James Bible
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

New King James Version
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

On to Genesis 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

JohnRH · Oct 20, 2024

jacko said:

It may have been that after the rain started to fall, that some of the people turned to the Lord in repentance before they drowned - and then died and went to heaven.
The period of time between the rain starting to fall and the final drowning could possibly be the "prison" Peter mentions:
... quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1 Peter 3:18-20 (KJV)

jacko said:

It does look grim, but keep in mind that 'few' and 'many' are unquantified terms. 99 sheep were too few for the man that had 100.

glf · Oct 20, 2024

jacko said:

1 Cor 7: 14:
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
I used to think that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil revealed to us that kids and the handicapped who didn't know better could not actually commit sin, but the above verse would seem to imply otherwise in regards to children unable as yet to know right from wrong.

Deut 30: 19:
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Our parents have a lot to do with our spiritual condition under the Old Covenant.

Regarding the Old Covenant:
Mt 5: 18:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Rom 3: 19:
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that Every mouth may be stopped, and All THE WORLD may become guilty before God.
Gal 3: 23-25:
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Heb 9: 15:
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The New Covenant doesn't come with the curse of death, except for a very few instances, as per 1 Jn 5: 16-17:
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
What a powerful promise! That we're able to be given life for those who sin not unto death, just by praying for them. Which is so much better than gossiping or judging our brothers and sisters in regards to their salvation.

homwardbound · Oct 20, 2024

jacko said:

God, strictly sent Son to save us in himself through the only one perfect person to ever have walked this earth, that be Son Jesus, the only perfect one that ever obeyed the whole Law of Truth, which is Love, God's Love as in 1 Cor 13:4-7, that no one else can do in their own flesh natures, born of Man. Noting Jesus was not born of Man, born of Woman yes (Hebrews 7:11-12)
Genesis 3, tells of the prediction of woman bearing a Son that crushed Satan's head at the resurrection, the death had to be first to take away sin, first, to fulfill Law and Prophets that prophesied of Jesus the Savior, our Lord, Messiah, unto Father for us to now by this done work enter Daddy's courts with thanksgiving and praise (Psalm 100:4), all sin taken away as far as the east is from the west. (Psalm 103:12)
How far is the east from the west, I see I can stop here and there and it is still not ended has it? God loves us all, y'all, that is final, God continues to love us and allows good and bad to go on. To learn from, not be in fear over, as this world fears. Rather reverent fear to God, who is sharper than even a two edged sword. see the two edged sword has sides, that man sorts out as best man can. Yet God is sharper, time to believe God just loves us all and rest in the done work of Son as forgiven and loved in mercy and truth, in appreciation to this thankfully. Not to be used for selfishness, to willingly be dead to self and become aware as a serpent to not get trapped in man's traps of wanting to be god over God, that act as if are of God and are not.

Living Bible
Phil 3:1-4

Whatever happens, dear friends, be glad in the Lord. I never get tired of telling you this, and it is good for you to hear it again and again.
Watch out for those wicked men—dangerous dogs, I call them—who say you must be circumcised to be saved. For it isn’t the cutting of our bodies that makes us children of God; it is worshiping him with our spirits. That is the only true “circumcision.” We Christians glory in what Christ Jesus has done for us and realize that we are helpless to save ourselves.
Yet if anyone ever had reason to hope that he could save himself, it would be I. If others could be saved by what they are, certainly I could!
Read forward, and see please

dangerous dogs, I call them—who say you must be circumcised to be saved.
As today it is so much deeper than just getting circumcised, it is being put under Law to do, that no person can do perfect ever
read Galatians to see this truth thank you.
God did it for you to be thankful and ask how from God, not self or others, how to say no to unrighteousness
Beleive God, receive from God and see new in God daily as you stand in willingness to continue to learn from all mistakes and watch you get peeled like an onion to the center, a sweet smelling savor

Living Bible
Romans 7:1-4

Don’t you understand yet, dear Jewish brothers[a] in Christ, that when a person dies the law no longer holds him in its power?
Let me illustrate: when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, she is no longer bound to him; the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. Then she can marry someone else if she wants to. That would be wrong while he was alive, but it is perfectly all right after he dies.
Your “husband,” your master, used to be the Jewish law; but you “died,” as it were, with Christ on the cross; and since you are “dead,” you are no longer “married to the law,” and it has no more control over you. Then you came back to life again when Christ did and are a new person. And now you are “married,” so to speak, to the one who rose from the dead, so that you can produce good fruit, that is, good deeds for God.

And seeing to not giving self any more credit in doing it, where pride resides, that evil loves to have and be God over the one true God, the Father of risen Son Jesus

homwardbound · Oct 20, 2024

jacko said:

Die to self willingly daily to God the Father of the risen Son, daily die to self to see the new life offered and given you
Your focus is on to not sin, that is why you are trapped in sin!
What? Die daily to self Romans 6, 7, 8 explain this and only Father of risen Son Jesus the Holy Spirit can and does explain this to you personally. Beleive if n to see this truth yet. God seals you in himself to see and continu8e in this true for you Eph. 1:6:7:13
Accepted, forgiven and sealed to see, to grow up into God's Maturity. Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6 I am trusting you to trust Godf to reveal this truth to you personally than king god to do it as is already done by Son for us all to be new

Webers.Home · Oct 20, 2024

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Jesus said nobody will be allowed in the kingdom of God lest they undergo
the regeneration he spoke of at John 3:3-7. I assume Jesus included underage
children as well as responsible adults when he said the process is a must,
viz: a requirement rather than an option.
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homwardbound · Oct 20, 2024

Webers.Home said:

The only option left I see is:
To believe God or not in risen Son for you or not, willingly, even to death willingly
John 16:33 Jesus overcame death for us to believe and be freed in trust, no matter what troubles come up or not at least for me this be what I am now humbly seeing, not that I got it or know it, I trust the done work of God for us all to stand in thanksgiving and praise, given the truth from God, the Holy Spirit that led Jesus perfectly first, who is risen where new life is given as born again in him,
I put past behind me and continue in thanksgiving and praise with all sin taken away as far as the east is from the west. This blows my mind up daily this amazing grace given by God to us all to see and stand in belief to Son as risen for us to be new daily, taking one day at a time only for me anyways

blueluna5 · Oct 20, 2024

Magenta said:

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

You need to read before and after to understand verses. The "human race" was tainted with Nephilim. It's everywhere in the old testament.

The Bible says calls them "man." They probably resembled humans. They were bred down.... think Egyptian art.

Consider this.... why even mention the Nephilim right before if it held no value??

Rebuke my corrupt mind please.

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