The Gospels and the Mystery

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It's somewhat astounding that so many perpetrate the fallacy of an appeal to popularity in relation to Covenant/Reformed Theology compared to what is called "dispensationalism," with claims that it's a recent concoction of Darby, which is the same trash we hear about the pre-trib rapture and premillennialism.

Personally, I don't subscribe to the family of doctrines couched within and under the label of "dispensationalism" because it is just another -ism rather than all of it being rooted within the clear language of scripture.

Why so many can't figure out that appeals to antiquity, and the lack thereof, somehow legitimizes any family of theological thought, that just seems so strange that so many have fallen into that horrid system of logical thought...or lack thereof.

We're told that in the latter days, many falsehoods would arise and dominate in conjunction with the nearing of the falling away, and far too many people are not taking that seriously. Very telling indeed.

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John146 said:
Gentiles were never part of any covenant, only the house of Israel. The Lord has no such covenant with the body of Christ.
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Who is the new covenant in His blood for? What covenant are you under?
 
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John146 said:
Gentiles were never part of any covenant, only the house of Israel. The Lord has no such covenant with the body of Christ.
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Very true indeed, but the demonic system of Covenant Theology will demand that any belief in there being two distinct groups of people is a creation of Darby. As laughable as that is, it betrays the desperation they sink into when trying to legitimize their beliefs.

For the sake of clarification, following doctrines of demons doesn't call into question the salvation of anyone. Salvation is on the basis of faith alone in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, just as Paul revealed from the mystery conveyed to Him from the Lord within whom it remained hidden since the creation of the world.

Amen

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Cameron143 said:
Who is the new covenant in His blood for? What covenant are you under?
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Allow scripture to answer:

Jeremiah 31:13Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

As a member of the body of Christ, I'm not under a covenant.
 
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John146 said:
Gentiles were never part of any covenant, only the house of Israel. The Lord has no such covenant with the body of Christ.
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Wrong Israel. Not the house of Israel but spiritual Israel - the Israel of God, which Israel, is the fulfillment of God's promise, for "neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth anything".

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
 
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John146 said:
Allow scripture to answer:

Jeremiah 31:13Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

As a member of the body of Christ, I'm not under a covenant.
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To the Jew first, but then to all. And if you are not under the blood covenant, then you are under the law. Everyone is under some covenantal relationship with God. Do you claim the blood of Christ for the remission of sin? Isn't the new covenant in His blood?
 
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John146 said:
As a member of the body of Christ, I'm not under a covenant.
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[Heb 7:21-22 KJV]
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
 
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rogerg said:
Wrong Israel. Not the house of Israel but spiritual Israel - the Israel of God, which Israel, is the fulfillment of God's promise, for "neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth anything".

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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Example of replacement theology....
 
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John146 said:
That's a man made theology that is not in the bible. Please post scripture where the body of Christ is said to be under a covenant.
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I'm glad to. If you will answer my questions, it will become apparent.

Do you claim the remission of sins through the blood of Christ?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm glad to. If you will answer my questions, it will become apparent.

Do you claim the remission of sins through the blood of Christ?
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I claim total forgiveness of sins through the blood of Jesus Christ.
 
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John146 said:
Example of replacement theology....
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You don't believe that is Scripture?

[Gal 4:24-26 KJV]
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

[Gal 4:28, 31 KJV]
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. ...
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
 
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John146 said:
By believing the gospel of the grace of God. next.
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That is the new covenant:
Through the blood of Christ,
For all who call upon the name of the Lord.

Interestingly, you can find all the elements in the book of Genesis:
Chapter 3...blood atonement by God,
Chapter 4...Men began to call upon the name of the Lord,
Chapter 6...Noah received grace,
Chapter 12...faith is introduced.

From the inception of sin, God introduced the exact same covenant you are redeemed under. Just because it isn't fully put together for us in scripture until it was fulfilled in Christ doesn't mean it wasn't always there and true. The only difference was that OT saints anticipated Messiah and we memorialize Him.
 
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Musicmaster said:
Once the body of Christ is raptured from this earth, the Kingdom Gospel will once again become the avenue of salvation, all the way through the Millennium, just as Jesus prophesied when He said that they will have to "endure unto the end so that they SHALL be saved."
That's the Lord's way of doing things, and those who don't like it will have to take that up with Him.
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The end occurs after Christ's gospel is preached to all nations of this world. With its completion, Christ returns, and time itself will cease to exist. The "shall be saved" refers to being saved from the judgement that will occur in the last day by having been saved in this life by Christ. God has also promised and guaranteed for those He saves, of their perseverance in the faith until the end - the last day.
The concept of a Millennial kingdom succeeding Christ's return is not feasible, as His return signifies the cessation of time and the dispensation of eternal judgment to all. Consequently, no period remains for the emergence of a new kingdom or age, as all will have been transitioned into their final, eternal, and immutable state.
The Gospel of the Kingdom, a singular Gospel, is the Gospel of Christ, focused solely on salvation through Christ. Its message – the message of the gospel of the kingdom – is not about a millennium, but about eternal life granted (or not) by Him in this world.
There is no alternative offered to man for attaining eternal life now or forever, except by having received it in this life through Christ.
 
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rogerg said:
The end occurs after Christ's gospel is preached to all nations of this world. With its completion, Christ returns, and time itself will cease to exist. The "shall be saved" refers to being saved from the judgement that will occur in the last day by having been saved in this life by Christ. God has also promised and guaranteed for those He saves, of their perseverance in the faith until the end - the last day.
The concept of a Millennial kingdom succeeding Christ's return is not feasible, as His return signifies the cessation of time and the dispensation of eternal judgment to all. Consequently, no period remains for the emergence of a new kingdom or age, as all will have been transitioned into their final, eternal, and immutable state.
The Gospel of the Kingdom, a singular Gospel, is the Gospel of Christ, focused solely on salvation through Christ. Its message – the message of the gospel of the kingdom – is not about a millennium, but about eternal life granted (or not) by Him in this world.
There is no alternative offered to man for attaining eternal life now or forever, except by having received it in this life through Christ.
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Paul‘s gospel has gone out in all the world, preached to every creature under heaven, and was made known to all nations. The end has not come. Different message, different time period.

Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Romans 16:
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
 
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John146 said:
Paul‘s gospel has gone out in all the world, preached to every creature under heaven, and was made known to all nations. The end has not come. Different message, different time period.

Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Romans 16:
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
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Yes indeed.

Additionally, concerning His coming for us:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

It is at that point that the "blindness in part" will be lifted and the wrath poured out will begin.

Amen

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John146 said:
Paul‘s gospel has gone out in all the world, preached to every creature under heaven, and was made known to all nations. The end has not come. Different message, different time period.
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Once more, you question the Bible. Isn't it somewhat strange to you that you do so?
And, no, the gospel will NOT have been fully preached until those whom God had chosen to salvation are born, hear it, take it to heart, and believe it. Known to God alone is who those are and when it will occur.
 
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I heard from a fella today that salvation by grace through faith is a recipe for sinning even more and is an exercise in easy believe-ism.

Let's consider how ludicrous that claim is.

Who can point out to me any legalistic system of belief that can and does keep its followers from sinning, or living in less sin? Can anyone name one? Just go ahead and blurt it out if you know of one.

When asking that fella what system of works has ever existed and/or does exist that eradicates from any of the followers of those satanic systems of religion their expertise to sin, he had no answers. We are BY NATURE experts at sin. We excel at sin! We don't need any help or inhibitor, because we sin by nature. If you follow Peter, he sinned, as did John and James. We ALL sin!

So, this doctrine of demons that says that God's grace leads us to greater sin, just remember how pleased that makes Satan to know he has more of those who believe that nonsense as his messengers of falsehoods to spread that trash to the world so that more people are then driven into legalisms of all types, thinking that they are somehow made more holy through their efforts that are as worthless as filthy rags!

This is why Paul stated that anyone, even and angel, who preaches any other Gospel than what he delivered to them, let that messenger be accursed!

MM
 
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