The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

Again, I can equally say that about your view. You have Modern Scholarship-Only tunnel vision which prevents you from seeing.
This platitudes really do not mean anything unless you have evidence to back up your position. I have 150 Reasons to believe the KJV is the perfect Word of God for today. What do you got your position or belief?

You said:

Why would even say that? Jesus taught us to pray and love our enemies. Do you agree with Jesus on this?

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Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

Dino246 said:

Again, such ad hominem attacks really does not mean anything. Show me evidence your belief has any kind of backing in the Bible or has superior doctrine to the KJV. Make me a believer in Textual Criticism. How is a shape shifting text superior than a settled text? Insults are not becoming of the saints. That is what the Democrats do (Seeing they have no real policies to offer Americans that will truly benefit them).

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Genez · Oct 31, 2024

Bible_Highlighter said:

A committee of biblical scholars compiles the critical text by comparing readings from many manuscripts to determine the most likely original reading.

How many manuscripts was the KJV compiled from?

Genez · Oct 31, 2024

Bible_Highlighter said:

How can you know what might be missing from what you depend upon? Or, added?

shittim · Oct 31, 2024

After reading the Word, we must DO the Word.

Genez · Oct 31, 2024

The most common type of Textual Variant is spelling differences, often a single letter. Remember, there was no dictionary in ancient times, and thus no defined right or wrong way to spell a word. The single most common textual variant is called a “moveable Nu“, with “Nu” being the Greek letter that sounds like our “N”.

Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

Genez said:

Based on German Rationalism. There is no special spiritual consideration taken into account. No prayer, no fasting, and no care that there really will ever be a settled text at any point. The committee of Modern scholars is built upon others like Catholics and Unitarians, as well. Is that who you want to translate your Bible? What about all the Catholic ideas in your texts? You probably have no clue about this. Catholic ideas have progressively grown in number since the Revised Version. Do you even care to know if I showed you? That is why I cannot take you seriously.

You said:

It is unknown how many exact unique manuscripts in total that Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza, had combined. We also do not know the exact number of manuscripts the KJV translators used, either. The 1666 London fire did not help with that, I am sure. While not always an exact match, the KJV does align the best with the majority of Greek manuscripts in existence (i.e., the 5,800 Byzantine Greek manuscripts). The Alexandrian texts that the Nestle and Aland are based upon make up the minority of manuscript witnesses.

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Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

Genez said:

Common sense. When you see things changed for the worse and not for the better, you start to see a pattern and begin to understand. This should not be a surprise. Are you even aware that Unitarians and Catholics are a part of your Modern Bible Movement? Most likely you have no clue of all of the 50-plus changed doctrines in Modern Bibles I have discovered. You may be aware of some of them, but not all of them.

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Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

Genez said:

But if God is preserved His Word by His divine hand (Which lines up with what His Word says), then what you propose is only for the human corrupted texts out there and not God's incorruptible Word (1 Peter 1:23). After all, Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35). Do you believe these things as they are plainly written in Scripture? That is what faith is all about. Without faith, it is impossible to please God (See: Hebrews 11:6).

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Genez · Oct 31, 2024

Bible_Highlighter said:

Why do you consider yourself to be my enemy?

Jesus was not Peter's enemy, and approached Peter as follows.

Mark 8:32-33

He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.

But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter.

“Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God,

but merely concerns of man.”

And?

When it comes to believers, and not our enemies?

Jesus said to his disciples..

John 13:34

A new command I give you: Love one another.

As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

As Jesus did with Peter? We are sometimes needing to be level with each other.
And, when it's needed? Not to spare one's feelings when it's needed to tell them straight, to snap them out of it.

Thin skinned Christians tend to think that Jesus was not loving Peter when confronting him by calling him Satan.
Peter needed to hear it.

posthuman · Oct 31, 2024

Bible_Highlighter said:

if God meant farthing He would have written farthing.

He did not.

it is important to Him to let us know this is a Greek word for a small Roman coin.
kjv simply butchers this.

that's all there is to be said.

Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

shittim said:

We do need to have the right commands, too. Modern Bibles even change some of God's commands. 2 Timothy 2:15 is one such command that is changed. Do you study to shew yourself approved unto God? Or do you follow the Modern Bibles alteration on this verse?

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Genez · Oct 31, 2024

Bible_Highlighter said:

Oh really?

So? King James having no Catholic ideas?

Acts 12:4
Authorized (King James) Version

And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four

quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

And, a modern translation?

After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads

of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover.

Can you admit the truth now?

Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

Genez said:

Because you are against the foundation of the faith (i.e., the Bible, the KJV).
You are for shape shifting Bibles and scholars, and not any real settled text that God has preserved for today.

You said:

And Jesus was worshiped by others. That does not mean we should be worshiped in the same way. While we are to follow the Lord, this takes discernment of God's Word. So, there is a vast difference between what our Lord does, vs. what we do. We obviously cannot die on the cross for people's sins and yet Jesus did this for us (being both God and man).

You said:

Did Jesus love us by going to the cross by dying in our place?
So does that mean we have to do the same exact thing? No, of course not. So again it takes proper study and rightly dividing the Word.
But if we believe we have an ever shape shifting text, or put our trust in Modern scribes to give us the Bible, how can we truly trust God in what He said?

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posthuman · Oct 31, 2024

Bible_Highlighter said:

are you saying it's good to update the language of a translation so it fits modern speech and makes it relevant to the people of the day and age the translation is made?

because there is zero equivalence between an ancient Roman currency and a short-lived 17th century British coin that was never, ever, ever used in Israel, ever. that's a transparent toadism excuse on your part.

but if your argument is kjv is 100% perfect because it purposefully mistranslated a word to make it relevant to an early 17th century audience then you are forced to confess it should be retranslated to make it relevant to a 21st century audience. it should say a dollar. a euro. 5 pesos.

which means it's not perfect. it was only perfect for at best 10 days before the currency exchange rate changed. and it was only perfect then for a small number of people in one pagan land who used that specific currency at that specific month of that specific year.

or you have no consistent argument and you are willing to make up stories to support the kjv no matter what the truth is.

i didn't pick this because i have an axe.
i have a sword with a very sharp point.
one tiny word destroys your worldview.

posthuman · Oct 31, 2024

Bible_Highlighter said:

if the foundation of your faith is the kjv

you are not a Christian.
you are kjv-ist.

posthuman · Oct 31, 2024

posthuman said:

this is something you just have to come to grips with and make a decision about.

no axe.

just a little prick at the goads.

JacobGilbert · Oct 31, 2024

Brasspen said:

Its not a secret code. His work has many layers of things that are hidden and only the holy spirit can reveal it to you. If you ask and have a humble heart he will show you but its not a code that you can crack and figure out.

Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

Genez said:

This merely shows you have not done your proper homework on this topic, friend.

Here is my Acts 12:4 KJV Apologetic:

The word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 in the KJV is a four part explanation
(Which involves proper study or resources to investigate such truths to see).

I. The English word "passover" was invented by Tyndale, and we see it is a synonym used interchangeably in Textus Receptus Bibles that predate the KJB. This is also mentioned in an older dictionary. I would recommend the book, "Don't Passover Easter" by Bryan C. Ross (Source).

II. When approaching Acts 12:4, one needs to properly understand the Passover and the days of unleavened bread. Passover is not only just the 14th (a day), but it can refer to a seven day celebration (i.e., Passover Week). This seven day celebration of the Passover also includes the eating of unleavened bread, and thus can also be called “the days of unleavened bread.”(Which is stated in context in verse 3). I would recommend reading the article titled "Passover is a Feast, and a Holy Convocation" by IronSharpeningIron.com (Source).

III. Looking at the other occurrences of the English word "passover" in the New Testament after the resurrection, we see that these are in reference to the famous Passover day (the 14th) (See: 1 Corinthians 5:7) (Hebrews 11:28). Whereas in Acts 12:4, it is a reference of the Passover week (a.k.a. days of unleavened bread - Acts 12:3). This seven day Passover week would include the Crucifixion and the Resurrection Day of Jesus Christ.

IV. Looking at the origin of the English word "Easter" at Etymology online, we can see such definitions as: "east, toward the sunrise" or as: ""to shine," especially of the dawn." (Source). In Jesus' resurrection, He rised from the grave and out of the tomb made in part by the earth. Jesus rose and came out of the Earth. Involving dawn, or the sun rising each day, it appears like the sun is rising out of the Earth from our perspective and it also ends the darkness. Jesus is the Light of the World who ends the darkness (John 8:12). Jesus is the sun of righteousness referred to in Malachi 4:2. As you know, this is a parallel. Jesus is like the rising of the dawn or like when the sun rises each day (out of the East). So Easter (a picture of the dawn and Christ's resurrection) takes place in the seven day Passover WEEK and not the 14th (the first famous Passover Day). Christians celebrated Easter for many generations and did so in celebration of His resurrection. How perfect is the King James Bible in it's word usage here.

I can go further in defending this point if needed. But this should be sufficient.

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Bible_Highlighter · Oct 31, 2024

posthuman said:

This is silly. According to this statement, this would mean that no Christians who trusted the KJV existed in English-speaking countries until Westcott and Hort showed up.

So what authority do you speak of here?
Do you believe you are speaking on God's behalf?
Is God giving you a vision or a dream to say this?
Is it just your thoughts? Remember, God's thoughts are not our thoughts.

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