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Lynx

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This post shows that you’re a conservative and that you can’t discuss things beyond your ideology.
It’s a bit about self awareness actually.
Because you start with a game of words like “nothing is free” which of course is something that I am well aware of. We, the taxpayer pays for everything.
The problem here is that you neglect to address why the army pays 10 times higher the prices that we pay on our daily lives but again that’s something that you’re not able to talk about because of your conservative ideals. Because again, we the taxpayer pay for a lot of government dysfunctions.

The tax rates in any state are in relation to wages.
In 30 years I have seen nothing but an increased cost of living.
Again, something you can’t come to terms with because of your ideology.
Socializing medicine never ever limits care because other people from other states come here because it’s free and the state pays for their costs or we the taxpayers pay for their costs and guess what? No decrease on my standard of living either despite of this.

So I guess the point here is , why are you even trying to have a discussion about this topic if you’re unable to reach the middle ground?
I have to disagree with every bit of this post. Socialized healthcare definitely results in a triage environment at the hospital. A lot of people get fobbed off with jury-rigged health solutions.

It's either that or insane taxes, kind of like Germany. They have great health care, but incredibly steep taxes.
 

Eli1

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I have to disagree with every bit of this post. Socialized healthcare definitely results in a triage environment at the hospital. A lot of people get fobbed off with jury-rigged health solutions.

It's either that or insane taxes, kind of like Germany. They have great health care, but incredibly steep taxes.
I think that you're confusing modern triaging in medicine with socialized healthcare.
The point of the modern triaging is that they don't want to insert any type of faith-based care in there. They have no room for it.
For insurance reasons and probably lawsuit reasons because people being people will complain "why did this guy get a buddha statue and i can't get the koran"?

Insane taxes is a political catch phrase to divide people into republicans or democrats.
Taxes are insane in most of the modern world. The tradeoff is what do you get back.
In Germany they get free education, healthcare and 9 months off in vacation when a mother has a child.

In US the illusion is that you don't get taxed 50% but 30% on your check but then you'd have to pay more than the total sum of 50% to keep your other necessities going like healthcare, education and paid vacation days.

This is why i'm saying that this is a political argument not a logical argument.
People do politics differently in different regions.

To circle back to the OP, who very wisely mentioned that a healthy society who might be based on free healthcare produces a better society, the question of training of the whole medical industry came up on how to address the mental challenges of a population who is lost between triaging, finding alternatives cures on their own, and finding proper spiritual advice on their own.
 

Billyd

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Less than 10% of the US population have no access to healthcare. The money spent on frivolous foreign aid would more than pay for their healthcare.
 

Lynx

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For some reason I feel like I'm at the local diner, in the morning, listening to the old men sit around the biggest table in the place, solving all the world's problems over cups of coffee.

Of course when you're sitting at the old men's table at the local diner, all the solutions are so easy and simple...