Random Questions; Bible-based answers

What I need to have in order to make progress in this discussion is your line item of what is required in order to observe the Sabbath law. Thanks.

Thanks for the question.

I try to follow how the Bible says to keep the Sabbath commandment and the example of Jesus. Most scriptures on the Sabbath has a thus saith the Lord

1. The Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo 20:10
2. We are told to keep the Sabbath day holy by ceasing all work and labors Exo 20:8-11
3. We are to cease all secular activities and focus on God, its God’s holy day, the only day He deemed for holy Himself Isa 58:13
4. It is a holy convocation i.e. church gathering Lev 23:3 which we see in the life of Jesus Luke 4:16 and the apostles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4
5. It’s a day of prayer and also getting out in nature to appreciate all that God has created for us Acts 16:3
6. A day of studying God’s Word, reasoning with God’s Word, sharing God’s Word Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 17:2
7. Doing good is not a sin such as helping people in need or an animal
8. It about worshipping God Isa 66:23

Theres lot of ways to keep the Sabbath day holy by many examples in the scriptures, including Jesus and the apostles. The Sabbath is meant to be a delight Isa 58:13-14 spending time with God on the day He set aside, the only day He blessed and sanctified, only He can sanctify a day, only He can sanctify us Eze 20:12 we need God for everything and the Sabbath is His gift made for man Mark 2:27 at Creation Exo 20:11 so we can join ourselves with Him and He can bless us Isa 56:1-6. In the beginning man rested with God on the Sabbath in His presence, sin separated man, so now we worship Him in Spirit but once the curse is gone and no more sin, His saints will once again worship Him in His presence from one Sabbath to another for eternity, thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. If we are so opposed to His Sabbath now, will one be happy in heaven. God would never want someone in eternity with Him unhappy.

Moving on from the question about gambling that prompted no comments, my next random question is this:

For what historical event do you wish we could have a mulligan?

Here is an example regarding the Korean War.

Mistake #1 – Withdrawing our troops from South Korea in 1948, which allowed the communist attack in June of 1950.

Mulligan #1 – Maintain sufficient troop levels, especially along the border, to deter an invasion and insure secure elections (as we did in Germany after winning WWII).

Mistake #2 – Allowing the Chinese to invade Korea in November of 1949 almost to Pusan.

Mulligan #2 – Command General MacArthur to defend Korea by surging overwhelming support along the northern border (which he had reached by November of 1950) and then to bomb invading Chinese troops as soon as they crossed, if they dared to do so (which they did in November of 1951).

Okay, so the mulligans are not specifically Bible-based but based on what I hope is right reasoning!

Your turn...

Okay, thanks. I hope you realize that the NC supersedes the OC, and no NC Scripture commands Christians to continue obeying EX 20:8-11. All of the NT Scriptures are merely descriptive, not prescriptive except CL 2:16-17, which instructs believers NOT to be judged with regard to a Sabbath day, so although it is permissible to observe the Sabbath, beware of corrupting the true Gospel.

God said He wrote His law in the New Covenant Heb 8:10 and God’s law includes the Sabbath commandment thus saith the Lord Exo 20:8-11 Exo 20:6 so you would need to prove God is wrong. His faithful followers did not make this mistake and kept the Sabbath in the NC according to the commandment. Luke 23:56. So either they are wrong or you are wrong and I do not believe the close travel companions of Jesus were wrong. God said He would not alter the words of the covenant Psa 89:34 and God can’t lie, and why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6, not new laws. People sadly chase a rabbit hole trying to force the NC to be established on new laws, when God did not say this, and we would be better served on redeeming the better promises on how we can obey God’s law through His power Heb 8:10 John 14:15-18 one of the better promises, instead of rebelling against them. Rom 8:7-8 Heb 3:7-8

The context for Col 2:16-17 is in v14. It’s about the handwritten ordinances that was contrary and against. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, written by the finger of God and is holy and blessed. The context doesn’t fit, yet sadly people do not care, but in the end I do not believe that is going to work out so well. The Sabbath points to Creation Exo 20:11, not the cross When God made everything perfect and God does not change. God’s people keep God’s commandments- His version through love and faith 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rom 3:31 and this faith is what reconciles us with God Isa 56:1-7 Rev 22:14 sadly just a remenant though Rev 12:17 even though all are invited to enter His rest by also ceasing their works as God did Heb 4:10 on the seventh day Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3.

Well, you advocate Sabbath law, but do you advocate God's requirement for salvation (GRFS) or Gospel? The normative way of stating GRFS is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of the Christian Gospel implicit in this statement are elaborated in the NT (mainly) as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel (vice the full NT Gospel).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

There a little more to the gospel, you talk about sin, but not talk about the solution, repentance of sin, which mean to turn from sin, which is a large part of the gospel message. It is how Jesus started His gospel message- Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4 His version Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 and the Sabbath is part of the gospel message according to scripture. We are not saved in sins Heb 10:26-30, we are saved from sin Mat 1:21

The everlasting gospel is about only worshipping God

Jesus related false worship with keeping our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14

We all have sinned (broke God's law) and deserve death Rom 6:23 but Christ gave us another option

Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3 not so we can continue in sin as we are told

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We need a conversion in Christ- to walk in His righteousness, and live how He lived for our example 1 John 2:5-6

Which is why we need to:

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Because we need to confess and forsake our sins Pro 28:13 through our faith and love in Jesus Christ we can overcome through His Spirit John 14:15-18

The everlasting gospel includes the Sabbath- it shows complete surrender and trust in the God of Creation, the only God who can sanctify us Eze 20:12

Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Why Rev 14 is so important telling us to come out of our false teachings and to worship the God of Creation

Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come- see Ecc 12:13-14 ; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
No coincidence this is quote from the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:11

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon[f] is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

The everlasting gospel that is the good news of Jesus Christ who came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 and whoever believes in Him, which means to be-live Him, comes to repentance of our sins for breaking His law and has a change of direction. We must die of self, surrender and trust Christ for everything we too can have eternal life. He is at the door, we need to open it and trust what He asks is for our own good.

Okay, you caught me again copying from my website before inserting "repent" in point #4 of the kerygma, but I just amended it, although you may have to put up with previous errant postings. Sorry about that, but thanks again for that correction.

Now do you affirm my summary of the kerygma as amended?

Not trying to catch, just reason.

I'll take a look and read each verse and get back to you!

Re WWII.

Mistake #1 – Causing too many of our soldiers to die in the Normandy invasion on June 6, 1944.

Mulligan #1 – After defeating Rommel in Africa in 1942 and Mussolini in Italy in September of 1943, it seems that it would have been smarter to continue advancing from those beachheads, attacking Germany from Africa via Palestine and Turkey and from Rome along the Mediterranean coast into France. Then, after Hitler was forced to shift forces to those avenues of approach, invade from England into the Netherlands or Belgium instead of onto the cliff-lined beaches of Normandy.

Mistake #2 – Allowing Japan to attack Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

Mulligan #2 – Maintain vigilance at all times by monitoring movement of Japanese aircraft carriers with our submarines.

And you say?...

Question #1: Are there other earths with human life on them?

My answer: I doubt it, although I have seen people say there must be, because there are so many billions of suns in the universe, but I do not understand how one could arrive at an estimate of probability from a known case of only one--US!

Your answer?...

The Bible speaks of things pertaining to the human beings on this earth . Think of it it begins with this earth being made and in the end of the Bible this earth ends . What’s in between is about this existance and promises of what’s better and next

my point is if there was a hundred other worlds the bible wouldn’t have any reason to tell us about it it’s subject matter is this earth and humans

That is a good point, but the Bible teaches that God created the universe and that His love is universal, so we must assume He had a similar plan of salvation for all hundred and thus Christ would have had to die 100 times. Hmmm, maybe that idea was not so good?

Yes I was addressing whether it’s written in the Bible about any other worlds . I’m not sure we’ll find a biblical answer as was requested was my point. Because our Bible is for this world and the people in it.


i do agree if we are to assume of course of there are a million different worlds out there God made every one . I’m only saying there’s no reason for ot to be in our Bible that’s about man’s salvstion from death in this dying world but it does promise another earth !!!

there are verses like this but I don’t consider them to be about other planets with people could be wrong of course just my thoughts

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭

Actually, a Google search said scientists now believe the universe to be around 14 billion years old and that the stars will never cease to exist, but as the universe continues to expand forever "most objects will pass what’s called a cosmic horizon, meaning they will be so far away that their light will never reach each other".

For most people, history is like a 5,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, and just as putting the border pieces together first is a good strategy for making the rest of a puzzle easier to work, so also knowing the main events of history serves as a framework that makes learning how other events fit into the timeline picture easier. Thus, my random question is this: What events may well serve as a framework or skeleton for the body/timeline of history?

Of course the first bone in the timeline is the beginning of the universe (Alpha, the “Big Bang”, circa 20 billion years B.C.) and the last bone is its future ending or eschaton (zulu, fade to dark, c. 20 billion years A.D.?, Omega). Alpha includes the formation of Earth (c. 4 billion years B.C.), because human history requires geography/space as well as chronology/time.

Having placed the first two events by way of example, the question I would ask you now becomes this: IYO, what is the most important event between Alpha and Omega by which history should be bisected? (Hint: My answer is Bible-based.)

Time's up!

The Christ event! X marks the spot.

So, the question becomes twofold:

1. What is the most significant event that occurred between A and X?

2. What is the most significant event that either has occurred or will occur between X and O/Z?

My answer is that between Christ Jesus/X and Creation/Alpha I nominate Moses’ founding of Judaism (circa 1200 B.C.) as the most significant event in the history of beliefs (HOB), and between Christ and Omega/Judgment Day I suggest we select the founding of Islam by Mohammed (610 A.D.), because these religions have been such an influential part of the HOB.

Continuing this process/game, the question becomes: What are the most significant events between Creation and Moses, between Moses and Christ, between Christ and Islam, and between Islam and the ultimate Judgment?

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