McMartin Preschool & Occult Ritual Abuse

So, the topic of satanic/occult ritual abuse has been heavily suppressed and also heavily denied in the US. What are your thoughts on the issue and where the church factors in?

I don't know about the US, but it's not uncommon in Australia. I lived near a park. There were often odd little piles of wood like some kind of altar and sometimes small fires. I was at the beach one morning and I saw a guy about 25 setting up small fires and chanting something like witch doctors in the movies. He ignored me as if I was not there. I also had quite a long discussion with a self professed aboriginal witch doctor who wanted to give me "special powers". When I was a teenager, ( a very long time ago), many of my peers attended seances.

I taught basic electronics in the Navy. The class was quite small, which made teaching easy. Some of the kids got saved and the stories of their Satan worship came out. One of the kids was in deep. His mind had become so taken over that he failed the course - miserably. He was saved and immediately his mind cleared. He topped the course next time around.

The church needs to get back to seeing deliverance from demons as a normal aspect of ministry. Christians need to be taught how to keep them out as well. Many problems Christians suffer are demonic in nature. The fallacy that a Christian cannot have a demon is common. Satan loves those kinds of believers. He can keep tormenting them all their lives. It does not have to be that way.

It's unfortunately common isn't it?

There are many deliverance ministries around but I believe the main reason many people don't get into it is because they are more realistic about it: you have to live sacrificially to properly deal with the demonic. If you enter and don't live sacrificially, you will have many open doors for the enemy to exploit. The churches have a long history of neglecting the issue which is why I broached the topic.

It's been going on for decades. Sadly, the church was paying more attention to the government excuses (hijacked by the same cult) than the victims.

Some of the truth is coming out now, but too late in my view. Sort of like making a peace agreement after the war has already been fought and too many are already victims.

yes, sadly most churches will not touch what actual real satanism is and what it does..

they don't know how, having gone to merely talking about Him and not inviting Him to come in His presence and power

What do you mean?

It requires self-sacrifice to tread into that realm and I think basically everyone instinctively knows that.

That's a very sad possibility. I've known people who were ritually abused and they all have the same story of neglect by christianity as a whole. Neglect is a tremendous issue, for sure here in the U.S. where I live.

A Dr. Masaru Emoto conducted many experiments on the effects of positivity, negativity, and indifference on created things-- from water to plants to humans. His rice experiment showed that a beaker of rice that went neglected was worse off than the beaker of rice that experienced negative talk. (The rice that experienced positive talk flourished.) Emoto concluded from these experiments that neglecting children is worse than directly abusing them.

I'm not totally sure I agree with Emoto's opinion that neglect is worse for children than direct abuse. But that line of reasoning applies here: I do get the sense that God considers bystanders, who can intervene to stop harm but who don't, to be worse than the perpetrators of harm. Again, one of the reasons churches don't address occultism and victims of the occult is because addressing that realm of things requires a lifestyle of sanctification, and a lifestyle of sanctification directly contradicts the lifestyle of ease that most people want.

Early church in Acts were house churches, meeting in homes and calling Holy Spirit to come and minister.
We were always meant to experience God, not just hear about Him, since chapter 1 of Genesis. Jesus taught most in these last of the last days would have an outward form of Godliness denying the powewr. That is why you asked the question.
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Do you have some reason to believe the McMartin Preschool allegations are true? Do you have supporting evidence of any satanic ritual abuse, other than stories people have told? Not saying it doesn't happen, but most of the time the stories turn out to be made up.

Thank God I asked for clarification. I didn't get any of this from what you said before. This was a lot clearer and a lot more concise. And yes, that is true-- that when believers gather, God is to be 'in the midst' and not standing outside at the door, so to speak-- and a very succinct truth that really needs no explanation or defending.

Is there a way to 'friend' people on this site? I'll send you a request or however it works on this site. I only see a follow option and I don't really do 'follow'.

One of the problems Jesus had with the Pharisees and religious leaders was that for some reason, they thought they understood everything. He said to Nicodemus who turned out not to understand simple things, "Are you Israel's teacher and do not understand these things?... If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" (Jn. 3.)

You said about ritual abuse, "Most of the time the stories turn out to be made up." How can you be so sure of that or speak so authoritatively on works that are intentionally hidden and that take place in the dark? (The word 'occult' itself means 'hidden'.) I have talked to many victims and survivors of ritual abuse as well as ministers and therapists who have supported them. You should research it before making up your mind as most do for their own convenience. There are people who need you to believe it so you can be a vessel to address it.

Here is the testimony of two secular therapists, Noblitt & Perskin (now Noblitts, married since the writing of the article), about the christian church's knee-jerk and unfortunately natural response to the issue of ritual abuse and to its victims/survivors... just so you have a better overview of the real issues surrounding ritual abuse which are not in fact whether or not it really happens:

"We are writing as secular individuals, and are puzzled by the reluctance of the Christian fellowship to come to the aid of individuals alleging ritual abuse. Too often, we hear of cases where survivors feel abandoned and alienated from the clergy and the religious community. Instead of embracing survivors, supporting them emotionally and spiritually, and acting as their advocates, the Christian community and its leadership have often turned their backs on victims, even to the extent of supporting individuals alleged to be perpetrators of such abuse. In the case of the Nazi Holocaust, six million Jews as well as many other innocent victims were killed while the world looked on apathetically. Few important church leaders challenged this atrocity. Are we witnessing a similar shameful silence?"

https://fromtheinsideout.tripod.com/articles/ra/when-good-people-do-nothing.htm

Situations I have personally been aware of in my realm of influence turned out to be false and promulgated by the supposed victim.

There is a lot of suffering happening around all of us. If we don't live with that in view (ie. if we aren't intentionally praying and seeking to intervene on behalf of suffering people), then we shouldn't trust our own thoughts, opinions, and feelings on people who say they have been victimized because we are already [subconsciously] opposed to the reality of victimization, suffering, and human injustice and do not want to get involved. In other words, if I prefer (in my heart where I am rarely aware of it) not to get involved in a struggling person's life to bring them some relief, then my worldview will automatically align [with my preferences] against victims of abuse and struggling people so that my life continues uninterrupted. I hope that makes sense.

Scripture tells us to keep our focus on things above, not on things down here.

I had to look up the McMartin preschool.I've grow up in a similar situation.Things like this all trace back to a lot of the churches Christians attend.That's where the illuminati is.Where ever there is people a Church is built for the illuminati.And you wonder why there's so many lukewarm Christians in the world.They hiding under the Churches.I've been there unwillingly and it's even biblical.
The one I went to had a closed foyer at the main entrance that you had to walk into to get to the Church itself.A lot of Churches have a foyer like how I'm talking about.as regular Church goers enter the foyer there will be one or two pastors/deacons in the foyer 'greeting' people.
Satanists will loiter in the foyer and if there's regulars loitering with them the pastor/deacon will usher them to the church sittings saying the service is about to start and then close the door behind them as they enter the main church.When the coast is clear the pastor will open a secret door and those in the cult will enter and go down the church.

They hate Christians with a passion.It is like wolves leading the sheep into the pen for the slaughter.It's a spiritual death for most of them cause God will spew them out of his mouth.

Ezekiel 8:5-18
Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.
And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth.
He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

Sound like the answer to my questions then is no, you can't present any solid proof of satanic ritual abuse, only stories; or the words of therapists who analyze what is reported by their clients, not solid evidence.

If someone reports being ritually abused then we should try to get facts. If no facts can be obtained we should still love that person and not shy away; but we shouldn't automatically assume what they say is true.

Scripture is written in such a way that anyone can interpret almost anything almost any way. Focusing on things above has nothing to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. God charges humanity to love one another not just christians though the command to believers is much stricter.

In Amos 5, God tells Israel to stop 'focusing on Him' and to instead focus on their fellowmen. In Micah 6, God tells His people that-- contrary to religious belief-- if they put their fellowmen first rather than putting God first, they will by that be doing God's will. And in 1John 4, John tells believers that it is impossible for them to love God who they haven't seen if they don't first love their fellow believers (and fellowmen) who they can see.

Before Jesus ascended, He gave His followers instructions on what to do. The first one was to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Spirit. Ie. they were to focus on things down here because nothing 'up there' needs restoration; it's all things 'down here' that need restoration and people here who need to be saved. In Acts 1, when Jesus ascended, His disciples were gazing after Him. Who wouldn't? Elisha gazed after Elijah. It's our natural bent to 'look upwards'. But two angels appeared and said to them, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." The disciples then stopped gazing 'up there' and began to do what Jesus told them to do 'down here' which the angels were indirectly encouraging them to do. We can translate what the angels said this way to better understand in this context: "You guys don't need to be focusing 'up there'. That will become your focus but at a later time. Your focus needs to be around you, right here where you live."

While most people, like Cain for Abel, reject the sense of responsibility God naturally designed into them for their fellowmen, God's mandate to all people is to live with a sense of responsibility for their fellowmen. This is the baseline of what being a human is and is also one of the baselines for godliness. It's common sense. This mandate is much greater and more obligatory for christians: Jesus added a third 'great command' specifically for His Church stating, "As I have loved you, so you must love one another" (Jn. 13). This command is only for christians. christians, particularly, who reject this mandate are in extreme conflict with God and are rolling the dice. I think it's best to do what you know is right here and now than to disregard it and secretly hope that God isn't holy and to be feared but, rather, is nice and weak. I personally take God fairly seriously, and I think for christians that disregarding the 'first three/great commandments' is a very, very bad idea.

No one can provide any solid proof about anything once you get into the definitions of 'proof' and 'evidence'. (There are simply some words that can't really be defined such as 'too' and 'overly' and 'deserve'. These words are a lot more subjective than objective as are the words 'proof' and 'evidence'. We have no 'proof' of God or 'evidence' that Jesus was resurrected. So, let's have integrity when it comes to word meanings.)

There are some things you have to discover for yourself, bearing in mind that abused people often defend their abusers or don't report their abuse and so the proof of abuse isn't in what others say or don't say but is something we have to find for ourselves (if we're willing).

Order and read this book if you want 'proof' and 'evidence' of ritual abuse: https://hispresenceonline.org/shop/...ng-gods-people-for-spirit-empowered-ministry/. The proof is all around you and the Bible talks about ritual abuse happening way back then. But if you don't have spiritual eyes, or if you really choose to believe that the testimonies of thousands of people across the world (similar testimonies of people who never met each other) are false, then there is nothing I can say or do. Please read the book. Whatever you decide to do, I'm not here to argue. Believe what you want or believe what the Holy Spirit will reveal to you. For christians first and then the whole world second, life will eventually and inevitably be just that simple.

"That ritual abuse is real, and that MPD is real, is not an issue for me. I don't have the luxury of high-minded 'investigative journalists' who can treat survivors with ridicule and contempt without ever getting their hands dirty, or looking at the facts. I survived brutal ritual abuse. I viewed the indescribably horrible murder slides of young 18-year-old Carmen Krohn, butchered by a Satanist. I went to the funeral of Shane, 16, and Sally, 15, murdered by a satanic coven. I sat at the trial of the El Paso daycare case and watched as a precious, devastated young boy told graphic details of his abuse. More, I have helped nurture MPD victims and other survivors into God's healing love. I find it ironic, almost criminal that there is no interest on the part of other journalists in the knowable facts. It's almost as if they're saying, 'It's made up. Now go away. Don't confuse us with the facts.'" - Pastor Greg Reid

https://fromtheinsideout.tripod.com/articles/ra/ra-mpd-church.htm.