God's Elect: This Ends Any Debate

God says he predestined whom would be save.God wrote those names down in his book of life before the foundation of the world.
God said he is the darkness and theight , the evil and the good,he is all things.


Before going further in these type discussions some should study what God is defined as.

Or,grasp hold of reason for a moment. If God is the creator of all things that exist,seen and unseen, then all that exists,seen and unseen,is of and from God.

As he says.

Yet, there are people who mock that and insist it is false.

Which says they don't know how God is defined. Even in his own words.

I will share my understanding of the NT concept of God, “the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God” (1TM 1:17), in terms of seven words. Four terms are used to describe (but not explain and certainly not “box in”) the supernatural power of God: omnipotent (almighty), omniscient (all-knowing/ intelligent), omnipresent (everywhere), and omnitemporal (eternal). “Natural laws” actually are God’s ongoing first miracle (RM1:20).

In addition to the omni-attributes related to power, Paul referred to God’s “nature” (in RM 1:20), which may be described in three ways: love, truth and justice. These often are called the moral attributes of God.

God created theoretical evil or the possibility of rejecting Him as an option that actualizes Moral Free Will/free human personality. As such it is necessary and even good (GN 1:31). Of course, it was wrong for Satan (1JN 3:8) and humanity (RM 5:12) to make evil actual by choosing to Sin or reject Faith in God’s Lordship. MFW only exists when there is the possibility of choosing between two qualitatively opposite moral options that we call good and evil. These options are opposites because of essentially different consequences for choosing them.

Choosing good results in blessing, life and heaven; and choosing evil results in cursing, death and hell (DT 30:19). This is why hell as well as heaven exists. It is the just consequence for choosing evil rather than God. The Spirit of God is good: love, peace and joy (GL 5:22-23). Therefore, whoever rejects the Lord is spiritually separated from Him (IS 59:2) and thereby chooses the evil or satanic spirit of hatred, strife and misery and reaps the just consequence called “hell” in the afterlife (GL 6:7-9, HB 9:27-28). These options were presented by Moses to the Israelites (DT 30:19), and Jesus referred to this fundamental choice in terms of a fish or egg versus a snake or scorpion (LK 11:11-13). Life… or Curse? (GN 3:24, RV 22:1-2)

God loves a cheerful giver (2CR 9:7), which means He desires people to cooperate with Him happily because of love and gratitude for His grace rather than to cower before Him because of fear of hell. Love must be evoked; it cannot be coerced. And again, when souls sin or do NOT choose to love God freely, it is perfectly just (loving and logical) for them to reap the appropriate consequence (GL 6:7-9) or hell. Why would anyone choose to believe otherwise?

Only God knows why people choose atheism. It is a mystery stated by Isaiah, which is cited by Jesus (in MT 13:14-15): “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused.” Apparently, this callous attitude demands God to nullify faith/MFW and thereby abrogate the essence of humanness by performing miracles in order to prove He exists (MT 12:39, 24:24, JN 20:29 & 1CR 1:22).

In other words, atheists presume to know better than God; they want to usurp divine authority to determine what is best or good, but they may one day (at the eschaton per RV 20:15) wish they had admitted the possibility that God has ordained this mortal life on earth for the purpose of people proving to Him who is worthy of (qualified for) eternal life in heaven (cf. RM 2:5-8 & 2CR 13:5).

Your understanding was copied and pasted from this uncredited source.
http://truthseekersfellowship.com/the-best-belief/

Thank you for your time.

It's a matter of conscious communion with Holy Spirit that indwells the Christian. God sets those steps.

Hopefully you will get used to my abbreviations and acronyms, because I may not be able to change those habits easily.
Not sure, but I think those verses in ACTS were from chapter 28.

The two verses I skipped further made my point, because they show that the verse 24 you ignore is warning those with us against also going out from us.

If God set those steps, then we would not be judged for rewards.

I checked my document where I save my image urls (among other things of interest) and it seems they were from Acts 17.

26From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands. 27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’e As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.’

There are two different panels and there is some verse overlap. Any ways, just confirming that now as earlier I was at work on my phone and it is much more difficult to check verse citations etc while making a post plus I have no access to my document while on my phone (its on the external HD for my laptop at home where I am now). I was just getting caught up a little last night on getting my panels onto the thread for them, and there was one that I had two versions of, from Romans 8, one with verses 35-37 on it and one with just 35 and 37 on it. I opted for the shorter one. Again, just letting you know that I do like to keep them short and sweet. Heh, having said that, a few do have a lot of text on them. But they are the exception and not the norm.

I understand about your abbreviations and am not trying to make you feel bad or anything, just saying it is an
unusual system and harder to make out, for instance, I don't think I have ever seen Colossians shortened to CL.

They went out from us

Its not a warning, it is to encourage the people who lost their friends who left that they were never of us.

A person who was never of us is not saved, they never were.

They in no way shape or form make your point.

Sure you would. If you obeyed, or disobeyed. We think we freely choose yet God's will is at work either way.

That's why he's there for every contingency.
Just like life. Bad "choice", you still learn something and it serves to keep your destiny moving forward. Maybe you even seek God more then.

Good "choice" is your earthly reward. Same thing. Life moves forward to that next step. Maybe you even praise God.

"See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father, and this is what he promised us--even eternal life." [and if you don't see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will NOT also remain in the Son and in the Father, and this is what he promised you--even eternal punishment and death in hell.]

Sure sounds like a warning to me!

It is a warning, To make sure your faith was real.

It still remains.

if they departed from us, they were never of us.

Not everyone that goes to church is born again. There are many people who may think they are saved. or who are just there for the companionship and blessings we in the church receive..

These people will eventually walk away. Because they have never been born again.. and when/if they do. all it does is confirm what John said.

1 John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

the warning is that we not become one of them, make sure our faith is real. and not just mere belief, or all the other things we think..

"It is a warning." Yay!

"To make sure your faith was real." Not really. A faker might persevere to the end.

"It still remains. If they departed from us, they were never of us." Then one can never have assurance/confidence of being saved or truly one of us until/before they never depart!

No, a believer can be confident of being saved as long as faith perseveres. (2THS 1:4)

You cause John to contradict himself

1. John said those who departed were never saved.
2. John says to make sure persevere. because you could lose salvation. Which means you can depart and have at one time been part of us.

sorry man, Your math does not work.

Well, your post ignores the obvious: If you can believe but never be part of us, then you can have no assurance that you are saved until the end.

Does that work for you? (I never was very good at math once it reached trigonometry :^)

Oh boy, but at the end of the day, the choices are ours to make. I’m not forced to do a good work for the Lord and then rewarded for the good work at the JSOC.

Forced? No.

I'll make it plain.

Sovereign Dominion God says he sets your steps while you plan your way.

It does not matter that your ego insists you overcome that by choice.

Your argument dies when we chose to do evil. Unless you claim God planned his way to do evil.

Your argument is vacant because you don't read scripture so to know who and what God is.

Everything is of and from the creator.
What we call evil is the dual aspect of good. As God wills. God created the darkness and the light.

Thinking something exists that is separate from God is Biblically indefensible.

Salvation is by faith. Not mere belief.

I have assurance because I do trust God to keep his word. I know I have eternal life. I am not trying to earn it, and I know God will nto fail.

Many believe, but even demons believe yet tremble

No. Because they were still never saved, they did not lose salvation. You can not lose what you never had.