The Dark Night of the Soul?

Yeah I know you didn't focus on a fault, You lacked discernment to know what OP needed/requested

But is it judging the person or is it disagreeing and seeing something else going on?

We are allowed to judge within the perimeters of scripture. It does not mean we are telling the person they are not saved.

I didn't say don't correct. I encouraged you to do so in love. Go read your post that led to this discussion. Rather than gently steer the discussion to topic, you lashed out in frustration.

OP chose a poor means to his stated aim.

Perhaps you might start a thread on what you 'feel' is the correct way to behave around your sensibilities? You keep defending yourself and do not seem at all willing to see what a few other people are saying about your 'feelings'. Yes the op should be addressed but instead 2 pages have been spent addressing what you personally think is applicable.

Why do you feel such a need to disrupt what was meant to be a more or less friendly discussion with your particular version of thinking you get to correct everyone who does not see things as you do? Is there actually a problem addressing the op?

her, lol

And there it is again! Look you should just go and make a thread about other people since your aim seems to be to judge and talk about others while stating we should not do that.

I'm not offended. I'm just trying to help. At any rate, grace and peace.

That does seem to be the desire of Cameron. I actually do not care about an apology, but thanks for saying that. What would help the most to this thread and possibly any thread Cameron decides to post in, is that he should have respect for others, say what he has to say, allow for disagreement and not become increasingly annoyed/possibly angry, that his value as everyone's judge is most likely his own perception.


Maybe this will help:

Cameron, we see you, we hear you, we understand you want to be the 'winner' here even though there is no winner, and we value your input but totally disagree with your disruptions and apparent inability to let anything go.


I do not sense that in how you have consistently done your best to make this op all about me personally. It is both childish and ridiculous. Insecure people might fall for that blather, but make no mistake. It is blather.

Yes. It's very painful and uncomfortable. But, in the end, we have more liberty in the Lord because we have more of His presence in our lives.

"Wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty".

Literally going on 3 pages now, wasted to most, but it seems satisfaction may have been given to those who are hungry for attention and try to get it any way they can.

Just a simple op and really just wanting an open and honest discussion. I am relieved I am already redeemed or I might have had second thoughts about what that means. I understand it is through Jesus only and I also understand that very sadly, some Christians do not live that way but think actions and behavior create salvation. No. There is nothing we can do to save ourselves. We are totally dependent on Jesus and that is how God has ordained it.

We do not have to strain our Christianity through some kind of man made sieve or jump through hoops others have tried to set on fire. We cannot save ourselves but we understand that through the act of 'sanctification', created by God on our behalf and for our own good, we become more like our Savior and even that, is not appreciated by some and that is a matter for another thread. I will say though, that even as many did not really love Jesus, many today do not love Him but say that they do.

I do not think I have achieved perfection, sinlessness or any other misapprehension of the blood of Jesus. Jesus died once for all of us and His blood continues to wash us clean and absolve us from all sin. Do not let yourself accept false claims and those who declare we do not judge or just love love love. This, is not of God and is not a biblical construct. Maintain your authenticity in Jesus and do not be gaslighted into believing things that sound 'Christian' but are not. There will be plenty of times that correction is valid but be careful not to give away your freedom in Christ and allow others to try to control you.

The Holy Spirit is very adept at tapping you on the shoulder to help you see what is true.

It's always somebody else's fault

Well, did it accomplish the goal?

Who, really who, would put z marks on a post that speaks of the reality of our salvation in Jesus. On a Christian forum, a person should expect so much more but it seems some care more about 'points' with others that have no standing with God and certainly not anyone who understands how serious we are in this world and how badly we need God and to understand godly concepts rather than acting like brats and those with no understanding.

It seems you have not yet accomplished your own goals to your satisfaction.

I did what I set out to do. The exhortation was my aim. That you didn't receive it just meant my joy hasn't been made full.

You do not seem cognizant of your own actions or what you actually did. It's not beneficial to carry out any conversation with you since you are as hard to reach as nailing jello to the wall.

Grace and peace.

The dark night of the soul. An expression that became common among theologian s to describe spiritual depression and grief. Its believe john of the cross in a poem he wrote in the 16 century. He was Spanish Catholic Monk.
Jonah chapter 2. In my distress I called to the Lord and he answered me
Isaiah chapter 13
And I will punish the world for there evil, and the wicked for thier iniquity, and I will cause the arrogant of the proud to cease.
Ezekiel chapter 3
I have made thee watchman unto house of Israel, therefore hear the word of my mouth, and give them a warning from me. Wheb I say unto the wicked, thou shall surely die, and thou give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life. The same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand.
If the wicked don't stop oppression on Christian people. Refuse to stoop listening to false shepherd's, and give up idol worship. Stop using the occult. If the wicked don't repent and change from their wicked ways, they are going to hell.
Hosea chapter 4
And there shall be, like priest and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings. Wicked better give up there pride and habitual sinning, put on humility and obedience to God. God won't tolerate idolatry and pride.
Matthew chapter 25.
When the son of man shall come in glory and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon his throne.
And before him shall be gathered all nations, and he shall seperate them from one another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats.
25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me ye cursed, into everything lasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
The goats on the left are the wicked. They had there chance to get right with Jesus in the flesh. Now at the 7th Trump, Jesus has condenmed this group to the pit during milliumum, and om judgement Day, they are judged by their works. The hammer will come down on judgement Day on this group. The wicked had there chances in the flesh. Vengeance belomgs to Jesus.