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If you ignore the context then you will read the scripture incorrectly.

There is a huge difference between a Jew and a Gentile in the scripture.

Simply put, Gentiles were called dogs in the scripture.

Jesus stated the following to the Gentile woman.

Matthew 15:26
Yet He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”

In Exodus God was not speaking to the dogs.

In Matthew given the context Jesus was only speaking to the chosen, the children, the Jews.

Jesus was not speaking to the dogs.

Ignore the context and you will twist what is written.

Do you understand?
 

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You're ignoring the text where Jesus said he has other sheep not of this fold. That would be,Gentiles .

And many a gentile male is circumcised.
Very good MeowFlower.

Though the problem remains that Jesus was sent only to the Jews.

Unless you separate the Jews from the dogs you will not understand the text.

Many Christians are repulsed by that reference to the Gentiles being dogs.

That's not my interpretation that is what the scripture states.

The covenants, the law, the temple, circumcision, the Patriarchs, all belong to the Jews.

The Gentiles are GRAFTED into the root they are not the original branches.

Paul goes to great lengths to explain this separation in Romans and Galatians.

Yet, very few Christians will tell you the real truth.

The law was never given to the Gentile nations, never given to the dogs.
 

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No we're not. That was a specific case for a specific time
The only way to establish harmony between Jew and Gentile in the first century.

Was to modify the filthy behavior of the Gentiles because the Jews were appalled by the Gentiles.

Gentiles ate food offered to foreign Gods in the presence of Jews, that is intolerable for a Jew.

Gentiles ate meat with the blood in it and that was in complete defiance of God.

Gentiles had no sexual restraint and they were out of control, how can a Jew go to church
with a filthy, evil Gentile.

Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was circumcised, and Jesus obeyed the law, and that's what matters Paul.

Your dead wrong Paul.

The Gentiles must obey the law.
 

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You're ignoring the text where Jesus said he has other sheep not of this fold. That would be,Gentiles .

And many a gentile male is circumcised.
There is a very serious warning given to the Galatians by Paul.

Galatians 5:2-4
Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.

It is not often that you hear an apostle giving such a harsh warning.

Severed from Christ and fallen from grace.

Circumcision means obligated to obey the law, circumcision means justified or sanctified by the sabbath.

Circumcision ultimately means "we will obey the sabbath".

The sabbath is a work of the law.

The sabbath was codified in the law in Exodus 20.

The sabbath was spoken before it was written in Exodus 20.

You cannot remove the sabbath from the law once it was codified in Exodus 20.
 
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Are you now telling me that the warning to avoid sexual immorality was only
for the first century Gentiles?

Be very careful here.
No, I'm saying those specific rules were what gentile proselytes of the gate were required to observe in order to attend synagogues for gospel teaching. I can eat all of the strangled animals and bloody meat I want because I know nothing a person eats can defile him and the kingdom of God is not food and drink. Paul himself had the faith to eat meat offered to idols. So those Acts 15 rules are nothing for us to be concerned with. Fornication is forbidden elsewhere.
 

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What days should we not live a holy life?
Aaron, The lord through Peter did did say this;

1Pe 1:13 Therefore prepare your minds for action. Be sober-minded. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance.
1Pe 1:15 But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do,
1Pe 1:16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

That means every day., The sabbath was set apart for physical rest but also for spiritual renewal.


Blessings.
 

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What does God do on the Sabbath that is unique from all other days?
Aaron, on the Sabbath, what is unique is that God rests, blesses, and sanctifies the day, setting it apart as holy. This rest is not due to fatigue but signifies the completion and perfection of HIS work. It serves as a model for human rest and worship, reflecting a deeper spiritual rest that points toward both physical and spiritual restoration.
 

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No we're not. That was a specific case for a specific time

In the Gospels, Jesus clearly expresses that His mission was initially to the Jews, but He also makes it clear that His message is for all people. In Matthew 15:24, Jesus says, "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel," emphasizing His focus on Israel during His earthly ministry. However, this mission to Israel was always intended to extend beyond the Jewish people.

Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman in John 4:7-9 is significant in demonstrating that the gospel is not limited to Jews. The Samaritans, though they shared some religious traditions with the Jews, were viewed as outsiders due to their mixed heritage from the Assyrian exile. In John 4:39-42, many Samaritans believed in Jesus as the Messiah, and they declared, "Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." Jesus' outreach to the Samaritans foreshadows the broader expansion of the gospel to all nations, including Gentiles.

After Jesus' death and resurrection, the message of salvation was to go out to the whole world, not just Israel. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commands, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," and in Mark 16:15, He says, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." This shows that the gospel is meant for all, not just for Jews.

Later, Acts 10 records a pivotal moment in the early church when Peter receives a revelation through a dream that challenges his understanding of the gospel's reach. In Acts 10:9-16, Peter has a vision of a sheet filled with unclean animals, and God tells him, "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." This vision is a powerful sign that the gospel is for all people, and not just for Jews. Peter comes to understand that there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile in God's eyes, affirming the universal nature of the gospel message. When Peter later preaches to Cornelius, a Gentile, in Acts 10:34-35, he declares, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." This marks a turning point where the early church recognizes that the gospel is for both Jews and Gentiles.

Thus, through visions, encounters like the one with the Samaritans, and the Great Commission, Jesus and His apostles make it clear that the gospel is meant for all people, Jews and Gentiles alike demonstrating that salvation in Christ is available to everyone.
 

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No, I'm saying those specific rules were what gentile proselytes of the gate were required to observe in order to attend synagogues for gospel teaching. I can eat all of the strangled animals and bloody meat I want because I know nothing a person eats can defile him and the kingdom of God is not food and drink. Paul himself had the faith to eat meat offered to idols. So those Acts 15 rules are nothing for us to be concerned with. Fornication is forbidden elsewhere.
God prohibits participation in idol worship and makes it clear that eating meat offered to idols is part of that prohibition. Let’s look at what God Himself says in the Scriptures, particularly in the Old Testament and the New Testament teachings that align with God’s clear stance on idolatry.

In Leviticus 17, God lays down the law concerning the proper worship of Him and the rejection of idolatry. In verse 7, He warns against offering sacrifices to idols or demons:
Leviticus 17:7 (NKJV):
"They shall no more offer their sacrifices to demons, after whom they have played the harlot. This shall be a statute forever for them throughout their generations."​

This passage explicitly forbids sacrificing to idols or demons. The Israelites were to avoid any practice that involved idolatry, including eating meat that had been offered to false gods. Since the meat offered to idols was part of idol worship, God makes it clear that His people should have no part in it.

In Deuteronomy 32:17, God further warns about the dangers of idol worship, associating such practices with demons:

Deuteronomy 32:17 (NKJV):
"They sacrificed to demons, not to God, to gods they did not know, to new gods, new arrivals that your fathers did not fear."​

Again, the Bible makes it clear that sacrifices to idols are actually sacrifices to demons. God forbids any involvement in such practices, making it evident that participating in eating meat sacrificed to idols is incompatible with following Him.

When we move to the New Testament, Acts 15 shows how the early church, led by the apostles, made decisions about what Gentile believers should avoid. The council in Jerusalem gave clear instructions that Gentile Christians should abstain from eating meat sacrificed to idols, along with other practices connected to idolatry.

Acts 15:28-29 (NKJV):
"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."​

This instruction was given by the apostles, confirming that believers should avoid eating meat offered to idols. This aligns with the idea that participating in idol worship or anything connected to idols—including eating such meat—is wrong in the eyes of God. The decision was not just a suggestion, but a divine directive, affirmed by the Holy Spirit.

In 1 Corinthians 10, while Paul explains the freedom Christians have, he does so within the context of love and concern for others. However, it’s crucial to understand that Paul is addressing a situation in which people are already accustomed to idol worship, not making a blanket statement that it is acceptable for Christians to engage in idolatrous practices. In 1 Corinthians 10:20-21, Paul explains that eating meat sacrificed to idols is a spiritual matter, and Christians cannot partake in both the Lord's table and the table of demons:

1 Corinthians 10:20-21 (NKJV):
"Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons."​

Paul here makes a stark distinction: those who partake in meat sacrificed to idols are essentially participating in idol worship, which is a form of fellowship with demons. God does not permit such participation. This reinforces the idea that God’s law prohibits any involvement in idol worship, including eating meat that has been offered to idols.

Finally, in Revelation 2:14, God rebukes the church in Pergamos for allowing some among them to eat things sacrificed to idols, indicating that such actions were unacceptable:

Revelation 2:14 (NKJV):
"But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality."​

Here, God condemns eating things sacrificed to idols as a serious offense, linking it to false teaching and spiritual compromise. This shows that the practice was not only forbidden in the Old Testament, but also condemned by God in the New Testament era.


The Bible clearly teaches that eating meat sacrificed to idols is forbidden by God. Leviticus 17:7 and Deuteronomy 32:17 show that God forbids sacrifices to idols and calls such practices demonic. Acts 15:28-29 affirms that Gentile believers should abstain from eating meat sacrificed to idols. 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 and Revelation 2:14 warn that eating such meat is participating in idolatry, which is incompatible with fellowship with God. Therefore, based on God’s direct commands and the warnings throughout Scripture, it is clear that God does not permit eating meat sacrificed to idols.
 
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The Bible clearly teaches that eating meat sacrificed to idols is forbidden by God. Leviticus 17:7 and Deuteronomy 32:17 show that God forbids sacrifices to idols and calls such practices demonic. Acts 15:28-29 affirms that Gentile believers should abstain from eating meat sacrificed to idols. 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 and Revelation 2:14 warn that eating such meat is participating in idolatry, which is incompatible with fellowship with God. Therefore, based on God’s direct commands and the warnings throughout Scripture, it is clear that God does not permit eating meat sacrificed to idols.
You're stuck in a bygone era. I'll go with what Paul and Jesus said.

Meat sacrificed to idols was sold in the markets.

Whatsoever is sold in the markets, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:25-31
And [Jesus] saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. Mark 7:18-20
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1:15-16
 

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There is a very serious warning given to the Galatians by Paul.

Galatians 5:2-4
Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace
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It is not often that you hear an apostle giving such a harsh warning.

Severed from Christ and fallen from grace.

Circumcision means obligated to obey the law, circumcision means justified or sanctified by the sabbath.

Circumcision ultimately means "we will obey the sabbath".

The sabbath is a work of the law.

The sabbath was codified in the law in Exodus 20.

The sabbath was spoken before it was written in Exodus 20.

You cannot remove the sabbath from the law once it was codified in Exodus 20.
Re:Sabbath.

No.

Paul didn't gift the Sabbath to man,all people.GOD DID.

And God said not one jot nor tittle will be removed from the law until ALL is fulfilled. Luke24.
That means all that God said in The LaW of "Moses", the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.
 
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Re:Sabbath.

No.

Paul didn't gift the Sabbath to man,all people.GOD DID.

And God said not one jot nor tittle will be removed from the law until ALL is fulfilled. Luke24.
That means all that God said in The LaW of "Moses", the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.
Maybe what you think 'all' means isn't what Jesus meant when he said 'all'.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:24
After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now completed, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. John 19:28
And [Jesus] said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, Luke 24:44-45