Understanding God’s election

Personal belief is a matter of revelation. Read Matthew 16 and see how Jesus builds His church. I don't deny that salvation is a very personal and intimate coming of God to an individual. I can show you scripturally how the entire Godhead participates in it. You can't get any more personal than that. But to say God has come to every individual in this way isn't true.

The gospel is simply Jesus Christ and Him crucified. No preacher, regardless of his beliefs, knows who will respond in faith. But as long as Christ is preached, some might.

For everybody but them, the lucky few chosenites. Now they feel entitled to CONDEMN everybody else.
Somehow they obtained God's favor long before they were born and the rest get excoriated for their bad luck.

The matter is you cannot preach it that way... the personal revelation required according to your system in NOT in the inherent power and truth of the Gospel but in God making it happen apart from any personal belief.

I really think you do not understand that Christ Jesus is a personal Saviour which is accepted and received by those who believe it to be true.

Some might what? Get into a time machine and plead with God to load the dice?

@cv5

Read thats been stated

It is not apart from personal belief. And it is not apart from a very personal coming of God to an individual. You simply believe man's response is the most important factor and I believe God's actions are the compelling factor.

While it's a very witty response, it's also a misguided response. But I applaud your humor.

I know and scripture teaches the power and truth inherent in the message of the Gospel and the very words of God is the compelling factor.

That's only half the equation. Back to John 3...born again by water and the Spirit. If it were simply the gospel then everyone who heard it would get saved.

Am I to applaud you utter failure to respond in any sensible or meaningful way that would prove your position less absurd that I have made it?

Anyhoo......the Calvinites got their clock cleaned and reset to the present, got their time machine wrecked, and their lottery has been deemed illegal.

They got nothing. They never did.

I actually noticed that after posting and it was too late. I'm sorry, I got you and someone else's comments mixed up. That is my bad and that comment wasn't actually to you, I mean I mistakenly responded to you, but it was ALL my mix up, so please disregard that comment and forgive me if it offended you for absolutely no reason.

LOL, how do you claim to cleaning anyone's anything? You don't even respect people enough to listen to what they actually say. You clean your own clock and that's about it. Then boast about it. You're something else. Bless your little heart.

I stated who believes and trust (which is also part of the concept in Greek) in the TRUTH of what Christ Jesus offers, see it is a personal action.

But you deny the individual moral ability respond to truth and you also assert we are born that way.....so you have no Gospel to offer.

Your Gospel is you can do nothing, you have nothing to do, you have no recourse but what and see what God does to make you believe.

I'm not a Calvinist, and poor doctrine should be exposed. Unfortunately, all you have destroyed is your own witness as a Christian. Your denigration of individuals and misrepresentation of their ideas reflects poorly on you.

No big deal, I have experienced much, much worse by the people who pretend to be nice at first, I rather deal with a straight shooter.

Calvinism/Reformed as an umbrella word for TULIP is ubiquitous across the churches it is rare to find any church that has not been affected.

Again your assertion is wrong. Man is capable of responding morally. But due to the corruption of sin, his nature has been changed. And he can only respond from his post sin nature and not his pre sin nature. He is still a moral creature having been created in the image of God.

"Calvinist" or any variation of the name has become a pejorative in many circles, including here. As far as what happens in churches I wouldn't know. I've attended the same church for over 25 years.

Yeah I get tired of correcting the same wrong doctrine making sure to include all the details of your personal take on TULIP.

Here fixed

I stated who believes and trusts (which is also part of the concept in Greek) in the TRUTH of what Christ Jesus offers, see it is a personal action.

But you deny the individual moral ability to respond positively to truth and you also assert we are born morally incapable of responding positively and this is not established in scripture when all verses that seem to support this when take out of context are exegeted in context!!

That is God's provision to humanity ... born with personal volition to respond positively to the power and truth of God's words and the Gospel message and this is established in scripture....

Your doctrine has not no Gospel to offer anyone.

I will just make sure to cut an paste it the exact some way so all the bases are covered.