I can't really see it that way especially since now you are saying being born again is not a real thing.
Being indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit is not euphemistic. Here again your definition of what flesh means varies quite widely from Scripture, and my understanding.
“The very thing that is indestructible and incorruptible about us is the Living Word of God indwelling us. “
Yeah I agree mankind was created for and had Gods word with them in the beginning as well
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.”
John 1:1-2, 4 KJV
That’s why a man like Enoch lived and didn’t die who walked with god then Jesus was the creator and was always able to give life he gave it to Adam Adam sinned and Brought death
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
John 8:24 KJV
“His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, And he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.”
Proverbs 5:22
“He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; But he that despiseth his ways shall die.”
Proverbs 19:16 KJV
“But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel. Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified. Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me. Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.”
Isaiah 43:22-28
A gods word has always existed and some men. Relieved just like now some believe . Jesus created mankind he’s always been speaking life and also death before mankind. he created mankind alive and warned them of death. They chose death.
As did cain . God gave him a choice and explained the consequences
he chose sin and death. “
So very much is said of being born in Adam, the first man, and needing to be reborn, born again of the Spirit, into the second or last Adam, and you say none of it is real.
again this is not at all what I’ve ever said …..
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“now you are saying being born again is not a real thing.”
you are definately not following me if you’ve reached this conclusion….
“Being indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit is not euphemistic. ( didn’t ever say it was a euphemism )
“Here again
your definition of what flesh means varies quite widely from Scripture, and my understanding.”
i disagree I feel like o quoted a lot of scripture explaining the flesh and spirit in conflict from the Bible and agree with it.
“The man of the flesh according to Scripture is incapable of obeying, loves sin, is darkness itself, suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, is blinded, taken captive to the will of the devil, is hostile to God, and the gospel message is foolishness to him, but you say this man can freely choose to believe that which he cannot understand and is hostile towards. I do not agree one iota with that assessment and you thinking we are in accordance is far far far from the truth of the matter also.
okay sister but again this is a bad characterization of anything I’ve said
The heart of the man needs to be changed before he is freed from his sinful nature enough to make the proper response.
I disagree I believe hesring the word of truth sets us free and grants repentance
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach,
patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if
God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
and
that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26
We aren’t born there , we follow list and sin and become servants of sin .
then need to accept the gospel to be saved from sin and death through bekieving the gospel and getting baptized in Jesus name like Paul taught how the flesh is removed which seems to have upset you ?
This is not your belief, but it is mine, and I have stated it many times, and the crux of our disagreeing with each other.
You can agree that the corruption of man started with Adam but then despite Adam's sin which corrupted all of creation you say it took a long time for man to become bad even though the second man murdered the third man!
right being “corrupted “ mesnt they now became as gods knowing good and evil ot didn’t mean they became inheriantly wicked and incapable of choosing correct .
abel was righteous
he wasn’t incapable of doing good and choosing ,
cain also was given a choice by God sister “
do good and be accepted ,
or
do not do good and sin is waiting to claim you but you must overcome him “
There we’re perfect men who walked with God
“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Genesis 6:9 KJV
I’ve of course wuoted several for you lol but those never get addressed
How much more corrupt can it get than that?
Corrupt meant now they knew good and evil and had to overcome the evil or die …..before they sinned ot wasn’t like that they were in Eden and given permission to freely eat from the tree of life . Instead they chose to eat from the tree Of good and evil which God told them by his word , was certain death .
The result was this
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
now what happened a little later sis ?
“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos:
then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
Genesis 4:26 KJV
“and
Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters
: and all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: and
Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Genesis 5:21-24,KJV
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By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and
was not found, because God had translated him: for
before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
Hebrews 11:5 KJV
amen has always been able to do that but we choose evil that’s in the world instead of the good offered in the gospel ….
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:7 KJV
“And he brought him forth abroad, and said,
Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him,
So shall thy seed be. And
he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.”
Genesis 15:5-7 KJV
Tour telling me this was all impossible for men to believe in and obey God all along since Adam ?
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