Understanding God’s election

I am not sure what you are saying. Men spread the Seed of God's Word but it is up to God when and where it grows?

Jesus describes someone planting seeds into four types of soil; the hard path, rocky, thorny, and good soil.

In Calvinism there is only two types of soil, the predestined soil and the reprobate soil.

I am not sure what you are saying. Men spread the Seed of God's Word but it is up to God when and where it grows?

Jesus describes someone planting seeds into four types of soil; the hard path, rocky, thorny, and good soil.

In Calvinism there is only two types of soil, the predestined soil and the reprobate soil.

Jesus describes someone planting seeds into four types of soil; the hard path, rocky, thorny, and good soil.

In Calvinism there is only two types of soil, the predestined soil and the reprobate soil.

I was just talking about the parable sister when I had posted that to her . So the things it says in the parable that happen like this

“Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i don’t think this is Gods Will sister or he took the word so they could t believe it at all , I take it as Satan is deceiving them to believe other things after they hear Gods word like in Eden .

or this

“They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again I dont blame God if a person falls away when they are tempted

Or this again

“And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Arbus I dont perceive to be Gods work in and for them or him deciding but rather the gospel is Informing humans of Gods word and bidding us to believe calling us to believe and follow Jesus.

I dont blame God for how we respond to what he’s done to save us no . My personal opinion and belief is that part is on us whether we respond or we don’t.

He’s told us the outcome of each path we choose whether good or evil . if we believe him well be saved is my belief

also , no one specially prepares only certain soil so it will grow and fails to orepsre other soul so it won’t grow , the seed is just scattered everywhere and the soil reacts to the seed planted otherwise “the birds of the air “ the devil eat it up so it can’t grow .

theres nothing especially done for any type of soil the same seed is given but the soil produces the fruit or lack thier of based on its reaction

Satan cannot do anything God does not allow.

Who made the soil?

So so God is the one wanting the seed to be snatched so they can’t believe ?

God that’s my point . Has been all along God made mankind able to hear his word but we all don’t react to it the same way, which is what brings the final result .

This is the point of contention: not what is heard, but how it is received. All hear the same message. Only some respond unto salvation. The real question in my mind: are some able to respond in this way and others not? And what role does God have, if any, in this?

Satan cannot do anything God does not allow. I wonder what the haters will say about that Biblical truth.

Yes Paul does, and I will post those verses again below. If you could only see that harmonizing all Scripture the way I have shared is better than ignoring those below (as OSAS Baptists are led to do), because it affirms/harmonizes both God's all-lovingness and omnipotence.

Passages that seem to support predestination may be harmonized with those supporting free will or perseverance as follows:

Scriptures that seem to support predestination as loss of free will:

1. Romans 8:38-39 – “anything else” refers to powers other than one’s own will.

2. John 10:27-29 – being “unsnatchable” does not disallow a person from choosing to jump out of the “Father’s hand”.

3. Ephesians 1:11-14 – what is “predestined” is God’s plan to choose or elect anyone who desires to be “in him” or to satisfy GRFS. Thus, being “marked in him with a seal” does not abrogate moral free will (cf. 2PT 1:10f).

4. 1 John 2:19 – when synthesized with verse 24 must mean that those who repudiate their Faith do not eternally “belong”.

5. Psalm 135:6 – in light of “volitional verses” (such as DT 30:19 & MT 23:37) means that God “pleases” to permit limited free will.

6. Proverbs 21:1 – in order not to make God responsible for the sins cited in the rest of the chapter must mean that the “king’s heart” or will is choosing to cooperate with the Lord’s “hand” or directions.

MT 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

RM 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”

1CR 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”

GL 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

CL 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”

2THS 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”

2TM 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”

HB 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”

HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

HB 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”

JM 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”

2PT 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

2PT 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”

1JN 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”

JUDE 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”

RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

Satan cannot do anything God does not allow. I wonder what the haters will say about that Biblical truth.

You're wrong. Your very first point you butcher. Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus. To you, nothing means nothing but with an exception. So if you define nothing with an exception, to me that means something. So if you are going to reinvent definitions and add to scripture what isn't stated, you will proceed to poor doctrine. Since you see the error to be my unwillingness to consider what the scripture states and not your poor interpretation of scripture, what good will come of it?

Jesus describes someone planting seeds into four types of soil; the hard path, rocky, thorny, and good soil.

In Calvinism there is only two types of soil, the predestined soil and the reprobate soil.