Understanding God’s election

Don't know. He hasn't showed up in this thread, as far as I can tell.

I'm saying I understand God does not create anything that does not serve his purpose within his creation.

Another free dealing, free willer member of this forum.

Such as Pharaoh, for example?

I asked that I might look for their posts so that I might learn what you are talking about as to their perspective. I like to consider all points of view.

Good thoughts there.

Agree Mary was NOT evil. She was FLAWED, she was INCOMPLETE she was BORN IN WEAKNESS, and she needed a blood transfusion to fix what ailed her. But no doubt she enjoyed God's favor for reasons similar to these:

[Luk 1:5 KJV]
There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth.

[Luk 1:6 KJV]
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

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Calvinites LOVE their condemning of others, because they were born into sin. Brutal.
Does God do this? No. No He does not. God SAVES sinners DESPITE their weaknesses and flaws.

And another thing, they excuse themselves of that which they accuse others.
This sort of behavior is treading on very dangerous ground if you ask me. An ominous state of mind and soul.

BTW.....your link does not work.

Good reference,yes.

Were it not for God hardening the Pharaohs heart first, Moses could not arrive as God's messenger and then show through the plagues that the pagan gods and goddesses were devoid of the power to halt each plague that impacted all who worshiped them.

Pharaoh's heart started out hardened, and with him hardening it further, before God hardened it some more.

From a general search: The book of Exodus mentions Pharaoh's hardened heart 15 times in total. In the first
five plagues, Pharaoh's heart "became hard" or he "hardened his own heart" after each plague. After the fifth
plague, the pattern changes, and God is said to have hardened Pharaoh's heart in four of the last five plagues.

I disagree.

Sure. Is their purpose found in their destruction?

Romans 9:19-21 One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use?

Sure. I believe God does not waste his time creating something that would not serve his purposes.

The dung beetle for example. Relative to its size and purpose on Earth it is the strongest of creatures.
And what does it do?

Bacteria, germs, Candida Albicans, even viruses. Everything that exists is purposed by God's design.
At least that's how I understand Him and His works.

[Gen 6:5 NASB20]
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.

***Their hearts***

Calvinites say that this is a result of God's doomer condemnation-ism will for them before they were every born.
You know.....literally planting evil into their hearts, far beyond their control.
They say that this is the way God created them on purpose. Some even say that the newborn baby itself was a super-evil wicked
sinner and bound for hellfire.

That's basically the assessment they make of Pharaoh too. Another epic fail on the part of @Rufus BTW. But nothing unexpected.

There might be a search function by poster on this forum. Not sure though. The man's name is Paul Thompson. He's another Arminian free willer.

What "way" did God create them on purpose? If you mean, he decreed that they be born into this world to die in their sins -- then, yes, he created that "lump of clay" for common purposes, which is certainly not unjust of God. But God didn't cause them to sin.

There is a search option by member name. A search for Paul Thompson generates a response that member isn't found. Even when I advance searched and put the name together without the space between first and last.

Thank you though for your help in answer to my question about PT.

Yes...even the wicked God created for the day of evil (Prov 16:4).

Yeahhhhh! Dat's wad ya do!

Keep em outside, and shoot the bass-turds.
Danks, John!

Hmm...interesting. He used to post quite often. Maybe he found greener pastures...