Understanding God’s election

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Inquisitor said:
No I don't see what you see.

The sons of God are men not angels.
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And another thing......Golgotha.
The place of the skull. WHO'S SKULL?
Goliaths skull.

[1Sa 17:54 KJV]
And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

Where did Jesus God CHOOSE to erect His cross?
Golgotha (***GOL OF GATH***)......where Goliaths skull is buried. Why did he do that?
(And BTW, all of Israel definitely knew that this was the place were David buried Goliaths skull).

Here is why:

[Gen 3:15 KJV]
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I never said Adam was perfect. I also said eternal life would need to be conferred upon him. But Christ need not have died because there would be no sin to atone for. Adam was given life in creation; not eternal life.
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Never sinning sounds sufficiently perfect to me--and the writer of HB 4:15 & 5:8-9!
 
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Cameron143 said:
I never said Adam was perfect. I also said eternal life would need to be conferred upon him. But Christ need not have died because there would be no sin to atone for. Adam was given life in creation; not eternal life.
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100% wrong 100% of the time.

At least you are consistent.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I never said Adam was perfect. I also said eternal life would need to be conferred upon him. But Christ need not have died because there would be no sin to atone for. Adam was given life in creation; not eternal life.
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Neither did I! But had Adam never sinned he would be sufficiently perfect for the writer of HB 4:15 & 5:8-9!
 
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Neither did I! But had Adam never sinned he would be sufficiently perfect for the writer of HB 4:15 & 5:8-9!
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He still wouldn't qualify as either high priest or as Son. And he still wouldn't have eternal life within himself.
Also, perfect biblically is generally maturity, and not sinlessness.
Also, sinlessness wasn't the only requirement for Jesus to qualify as God's Servant.
 
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THIS Blain, this. No one here says they're a Calvinist, no one here is teaching the 5 points, no one but those on the attack are quoting Calvin. This is the madness of it all. THEY tell you what you are and believe. No matter how many times you say right to them "I am not a Calvinist", they will continue to call you one in the reply, then they will go on to tell you all about the heretical beliefs you hold, then go on to destroy those belief. It makes no difference at all to them that you say you don't hold that belief, you've never held that belief, and you've never even met a person that teaches this belief. Again, this doesn't stop them from ignoring you and debunking that belief in the reply to you saying these things. It is insane and I'm not going to even try to discuss these things in good faith with them anymore. It's impossible to have any kind of conversation with them because they do not listen or respond to anything you say.
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Sigh... things never change even after me being gone for so long.....
 
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Blain said:
Sigh... things never change even after me being gone for so long.....
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Just conduct a survey of the posts Blain.
Some folks make sense, and some do not.
It is exceedingly easy to detect the difference.

It is for me.

The Calvinite posts make me feel like I won the lottery when it comes
to actually understanding God's word.

Pearl of great price.....tightly clenched in my fist.
Thank You Lord.
 
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cv5 said:
Just conduct a survey of the posts Blain.
Some folks make sense, and some do not.
It is exceedingly easy to detect the difference.

It is for me.

The Calvinite posts make me feel like I won the lottery when it comes
to actually understanding God's word.

Pearl of great price.....tightly clenched in my fist.
Thank You Lord.
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Well they say if the enemy is attacking you then you must be doing something right and the spirit of attack in this thread is nothing less than the spirit of the enemy

My friend who I will not name has been attacked on all fronts and she doesn't deserve that but the things she has told me that she was called or what was said of her is nothing less than unspeakable coming from so called Christians.
without love in our hearts we are no better than an unsaved sinner we just put on the facade of a Christian if you are attacked count it as a blessing you must be doing something right
 
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cv5 said:
Just conduct a survey of the posts Blain.
Some folks make sense, and some do not.
It is exceedingly easy to detect the difference.

It is for me.

The Calvinite posts make me feel like I won the lottery when it comes
to actually understanding God's word.

Pearl of great price.....tightly clenched in my fist.
Thank You Lord.
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The pearl of great price won't fit in your hand. But yeah, you won the lottery of understanding.
 
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cv5 said:
And another thing......Golgotha.
The place of the skull. WHO'S SKULL?
Goliaths skull.

[1Sa 17:54 KJV]
And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

Where did Jesus God CHOOSE to erect His cross?
Golgotha (***GOL OF GATH***)......where Goliaths skull is buried. Why did he do that?
(And BTW, all of Israel definitely knew that this was the place were David buried Goliaths skull).

Here is why:

[Gen 3:15 KJV]
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
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David killed Goliath while Saul was still king.

David did not conquer Jerusalem until some time later.

Jerusalem was a Jebusite stronghold during David's battle with Goliath.

So your idea that Goliath's head was buried there is incorrect.

Orthodox tradition states Golgotha is the place of Adam's burial.

Origen also states the place of Adam's burial was Golgotha.

I am not interested in speculation.
 
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Cameron143 said:
He still wouldn't qualify as either high priest or as Son. And he still wouldn't have eternal life within himself.
Also, perfect biblically is generally maturity, and not sinlessness.
Also, sinlessness wasn't the only requirement for Jesus to qualify as God's Servant.
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I think we finally agree on something! :^)
 
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Inquisitor said:
David killed Goliath while Saul was still king.

David did not conquer Jerusalem until some time later.

Jerusalem was a Jebusite stronghold during David's battle with Goliath.

So your idea that Goliath's head was buried there is incorrect.

Orthodox tradition states Golgotha is the place of Adam's burial.

Origen also states the place of Adam's burial was Golgotha.

I am not interested in speculation.
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Amen re "I am not interested in speculation." However, we must admit that the Bible is more of a hodge-podge than a systematic theology, so we must sometimes connect dots/harmonize Scriptures, hoping that we are guided by the Spirit of truth.

I seem to remember that Origen tried to connect some dots, but I think he erred by teaching universal salvation when the biblical solution for connecting God's ultimate justice with His omnilove is soul destruction after justice is achieved via appropriate karma in hell.

Anyway, how the heck would Origen know where Adam was buried?!
 
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GWH said:
Anyway, how the heck would Origen know where Adam was buried?!
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The pre-flood world was so pulverized (with succeeding gigantic disasters) that the entire world was basically terraformed.
HUNDREDS of meters of sediments, lava flows etc etc.

NOBODY today knows the location of any pre-flood gravesite (or much else).
Impossible and obviously so.
 
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David killed Goliath while Saul was still king.

David did not conquer Jerusalem until some time later.

Jerusalem was a Jebusite stronghold during David's battle with Goliath.

So your idea that Goliath's head was buried there is incorrect.

Orthodox tradition states Golgotha is the place of Adam's burial.

Origen also states the place of Adam's burial was Golgotha.

I am not interested in speculation.
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[1Sa 17:54 KJV]
And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

It is impossible for anybody to deny this. Or be confused about it.
 
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Your advertising that God is partial when God is demonstrating no favoritism whatsoever, to
any individual.

How can you say that God creates some saved and the bulk are damned to suffer for eternity?

That is a crazy thought pattern to entertain.

A perfect God creates a non level playing field?
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Advertising?

Is Universalist Salvation doctrine considered heresy?
 
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cv5 said:
[1Sa 17:54 KJV]
And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

It is impossible for anybody to deny this. Or be confused about it.
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In the Byzantine period (4th to 7th century CE) Christians developed a tradition that Goliath was buried along a road leading up to Jerusalem. Sixth century AD pilgrim Antoninus Martyr provides the most detailed account of this tradition –

As we were coming back to Jerusalem, and coming down on the road which goes to Gaza and Ashkelon, we kept on for 20 miles from Jerusalem and we came to Mount Gilboa, where David slaughtered Goliath (1 Sam 17). There Saul and Jonathan died (1 Sam 31-2 Sam 1). There also Goliath rests in the middle of the road, a wooden heap at his head. The pile of rocks forms a high hill, such that there is no movable stone for 20 miles since it is a holy custom that whenever anybody passes by, they pick up three stones and throw them at that mound. It never rains in those hills, and there is a mystery in the night-time hours: they see unclean spirits moving around; according to eyewitnesses, they are like fleecy clouds of wool, or perhaps sea waves. (dannythedigger.com/hanot)
 
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Cranberry said:
Advertising?

Is Universalist Salvation doctrine considered heresy?
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How about a universal proclamation of the gospel to all mankind.

Then everyone has the opportunity to respond to that proclamation.

Rather than God showing His favoritism to some and ignoring the majority.
 
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Cranberry said:
Advertising?

Is Universalist Salvation doctrine considered heresy?
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Only God can judge, but IMO if US contradicts the kerygma, it is heresy, but if not, then I would deem/discern it to be heterodoxy or a minority viewpoint that contradicts more Scripture than it affirms.
 
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