Israel's Final Deliverance

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ChristRoseFromTheDead

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Actually it doesn't say only a remnant will be saved. This debate has gone back and forth for years, and it will be the Lord Himself who settles it I suppose.

And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob

I don't see how that could be mistaken, but as I say, it's been debated over the years.
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It's mistaken because you're stumbling over misplaced punctuation that creates a faulty reading. You think it says all Israel will be saved [comma, or colon], as these OT verses say, as if those verses say everyone in Israel will be saved. They don't say that at all. They describe how all of the godly remnant of Israel throughout the ages will be saved, ie God will remove ungodliness from them by taking away their sins. So verses 26-27 say in fact:

And so all Israel shall be saved as it is written, "There shall come out of Zion the deliverer, and he shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob". For "this is my covenant to them when I take away their sins." Romans 11:26-27​
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
God made an unconditional and everlasting covenant with Abe, the land promise was part of it. It has yet to be fulfilled.
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Yes unconditional covenant confirming the promise of the land, but the promise was to Abraham's seed, who is Christ, which is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16. That promise was fulfilled when the father gave everything to Christ forever.
 
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Aaron56 said:
There's a lot to unpack in that passage. I know people have different views of scripture, especially Revelation. There are several rules to which I adhere when reading such a prophetic book. One is: In a particular area, if most of the verses are allegorical then the entire passage is likely allegorical. Unless we are told, the Spirit does not flip flop from allegory to actual within the same passage.

So, in the passage above, we see the Euphrates river. John would have known this river and the importance of it. It provided water to people and crops, allowed for trade and commerce between nations, and was essential to regional life as he knew it. Today, we know it as one of the waterways that established the "cradle of life" so its importance stretched even into our day.

Then, in the next verse we see frogs, a dragon, and a beast. This is allegory. Sure, they denote actual things (like the Euphrates) but the references are to their meanings as they relate to the end of the age. So, the Euphrates, too, relates to the end of the age.

The drying up of the waters of the Euphrates is emblematic of the drying up of revelation and insight. This will be (and currently is) a famine of the word of God. They also represent the removal of restraint (also prophesied and what we are currently experiencing) because it restrained "the kings" until it is dried up. At one time, even the unbelievers saw some wisdom in the way of God and His people. This speaks of a time when the people reject the ways of God and His people whole-sale. And so, they are given over to their unrestrained imaginations.

In the whole picture, this is It is Satan in consort with his offspring, the beast, and his enabler, that little horn that speaks blasphemous things against God and against the dwellers of heaven. This is a religious figure who has led astray anyone who is seeking God and lives by the water of life, the Holy Spirit.
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Thank you brother for this. I would love to hear more of what you got to say on this? Are there any preachers you could recommend who preach this? If not, could you send me a DM and walk me thru who you believe the beast / man of sin is? I take the man of sin to be the pope, potentially. What do you believe about the mark of the beast?
 
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Hakawaka said:
Dispensationalism and american zionists pushing this throughout the globe.
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The repercussions have been devastating.

I suppose it will take several generations before this false interpretations dies.
Not sure we have seen the full damage of it yet, but we are heading pretty quickly towards it.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
God made an unconditional and everlasting covenant with Abe, the land promise was part of it. It has yet to be fulfilled.
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Joshua 21:43-45 So the Lord gave Israel all the land which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and lived in it. And the Lord gave them rest on every side, in accordance with everything that He had sworn to their fathers, and no one of all their enemies stood before them; the Lord handed all their enemies over to them. Not one of the good promises which the Lord had made to the house of Israel failed; everything came to pass.

Furthermore the land promises will be fulfilled in the resurrection to Abraham himself:

Hebrews 11:8-10
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
 
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HeIsHere said:
The repercussions have been devastating.

I suppose it will take several generations before this false interpretations dies.
Not sure we have seen the full damage of it yet, but we are heading pretty quickly towards it.
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Atleast its on its way out. As the west is flooded with muslims and some of them become Christians I still dont see them going full zionist.
 
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