Is there a difference.....

We understand there are rights and wrongs, but liberals don't. You'll never convince a liberal that way. Abortion is always going to be wrong, but they will never believe abortion is wrong. They think it's their right. The only way to argue this point is to make it personal, based on the mother's point of view. She will likely think that having the baby will ruin her life and ambitions, but telling her this is not so and that there are many programs and childcare today will allow her to pursue her dreams. It would be better to say, "You will lose your closest family member, your best friend, and it will hurt your psyche to abort such a gift. You will always wonder what the child was like or how old he/she would be today. Yes, you may have more children later on, but who knows, you might like this child more (after all, the first child is blessed by God)

Exactly!
Thank you Daisy.

LACK OF DATA:

The journalists at AP gave no data to support their thesis.

1.) They offered links to many adjacent issues, but they gave no links to data supporting their actual thesis that "abortions are up since Roe-Wade was overturned."

2.) Their thesis may be true, but when professional journalists, who are trained in acquiring evidence, make a very strong and controversial claim but fail to support it with evidence, it is frequently because there is no such evidence.

3.) It seems prudent to be skeptical of this thesis until we see:
a.) evidence
b.) an explanation of the methodology used to to derive the evidence

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1. 2. 3.

Why are you asking me instead of Seeker47?!

It is my view we should not be surprised abortion remains in practice in this world where Satan is lord.

After all, the wages of Sin is death.

Actually, the viability argument is gaining ground and may be the most common against the pro choicers at this time, but I was planning on trying again as soon as y/all catch up with where I am at regarding the steps to take in order to get our society to ban abortion.

Because i like you and because you're making these technical arguments about trying to tell the audience that abortion it's murder.
We already know!
So the question i had for you was: Have you tried talking to a liberal atheist at an abortion clinic about this topic?

My OP was not about abortions of convenience but about God's reaction to overturning Roe and what will happen to those states that continue to allow unrestricted abortions.

You've definitely put your finger on the dilemma.


Although "some" pro-choicers are merely misinformed, most simply have no interest in the legal or philosophical status of the unborn... they just want this unpleasant responsibility terminated.

Our society has a serious problem of conscience, an unfathomable blackness of heart, to have no care for the life of their own babies.
The problem is this blackness of heart... not clever debate.
We can win the debates, we surely can... but that doesn't solve the problem.



I'm sure we're in agreement here.

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This question is very loaded with a heavy mix of political and theological doctrines which is very difficult for me to give you a straight answer as to what God's reaction is at this point in time, while we're both alive and the hot topic of the day is abortion which is very hyped in opposite fashion by both political parties.

Well said Maxwell and good to see you again.

Well, I would like it better if you would engage in a discussion instead of trolling me.

Given that most folks would probably agree that abortions should not be allowed after the age of viability or when fetuses are able to survive outside of the womb, the question became whether folks could be persuaded with proper education to agree that abortions should not be permitted beyond the stage when the brain waves used to determine a person is alive are detectable, which may be called "sentience". I like to think most folks are reasonable enough to agree with this logic.

Sentience is detectable at about the 8th week the last time I checked, so society's agreement on this point would eliminate seven months of abortions, and we only need to move the Overton Window another couple of months. :^)

First of all you do passive trolling yourself. Can't tell if it's conscious or unconscious.
Second, Donald Trump himself trolls people all day. It's a lot of fun and engaging for those who want and are able to engage.
You, are man enough to handle it which is why i engage you because i like you. I know you get a little sensitive when people disagree with you while showing humor or being serious but when you use the word 'troll' in this case is to sort of to dismiss things you don't like or agree with, while what you see as 'trolling' is simply a different style of communication which is very direct and to awake you in giving a straight and serious response.
We can talk more about this if you want.

You think proper education is the solution to abortion then?
Okay, i agree with you again. This is along the lines of what Maxwell said, which is a combination of a lot of indoctrination from the left which is fueled by the ideology of one political party. So to counterbalance this, we have to apply some common sense ideology which is based on fact (and this is where your technical data comes in) to educate people in schools about this topic so they are more morally conscious to never make this choice.

As a general rule, I'm in favor of rational arguments that will reduce the number of abortions.

But this particular argument has some inherent problems.
If we use brain wave activity as a corollary for life, that may leave us in a hole we cannot dig ourselves out of.

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Abortion Numbers Up Since Roe v. Wade Overturned:

Despite Bans, Number of Abortions in the United

Abortions have risen slightly since Roe was overturned,

Abortions have increased, even in states with bans, report finds

Guess folks are in a hurry to kill of the unwanted babies. Can it really be cheaper than Birth Control?

We already use the cessation of that brain wave activity as the definition/determination of death, which is why the corollary is to use it for the beginning of brain life that reasonable folks should accept.

The part of the problem I have not stated yet is--supposing society outlaws abortion after two months--what should be the punishment for those who commit murder?