Is there a difference.....

Really don't think it is "racist", the ccp, russia, the nazi's, used it as population and/or birth control.

To your question, no. Murder is murder, whether the government sanctions it or not. The "level" of government doing the sanctioning doesn't matter.

It's amazing that you think that you alone have found the answer to the abortion problem worldwide by using brainwave technology.
You also are unable to register that many people worldwide know this already but they still do it, they still abort.
It's also more amazing that you think that people will be convinced using a rational argument when you don't apply some personal touch to it like Magenta or Daisy and even Maxwell have mentioned in various degrees.
I mean, the laws we have in place say "Don't kill" right?
Yet, people still kill with guns.
So, besides education which can help reduce abortions by talking to young adults about understanding that the fetus is a human being without a voice yet, do you have any other suggestions on how to reduce abortions from a legal or political point of view?

Oh I'm for no abortions, maybe with the exceptions of rape/incest/medical. And really I don't know if I believe even for that reason. I'll have to read back again.

Currently, there is a belief among singles (because so few get actually married anymore) that a baby is the end of your life. Your happy days are over and are now filled with mind numbing routines of drudgery and constant annoyances.

And it has a miniscule element of truth....but misses the larger reality of joys, happiness, an end to the epidemic of loneliness and apathetic relationships.

There is no better thing to accomplish in this world than progeny...which requires pregnancy. Your adult life is not over with a child....it's just beginning.

Haven't read through all posts so don't know if this has been mentioned. Something that would dramatically reduce abortions IMO is to require anyone who seeks an abortion to watch ultrasonic videos of their babies alive in their wombs, followed by videos of fetuses being aborted.

We all are for no abortions, but how can that policy be achieved? Do you have a better idea than the one I shared?

I think the abortion issue is quite simple. But we need to throw light on the lies PP is telling. Abortion is racist. Black women are 3x more likely to abort than any other race. Margret Sanger who started PP was a flat out racist. There is a reason the Dems have quietly gotten rid of streets named in her honor. Dems don't care about a right to choose, they want to get rid of certain races and classes of people.

That is a good idea (akin to mine of making folks contemplate pictures of a 7-month-old preemie beside a 7-month-old fetus just before becoming a preemie :^)

Right, as I said there are stats to prove that. That's why many pro-life groups are investing in being able to show a woman an ultrasound. A high percentage change their mind when they see their child.

Not sure why you say the issue is simple when you follow that with citing its complexity!

It's being used as birth control.

Because it is simple. All the arguments being used by the left are from 1973. It's not complex, we have the technology, we know the stages, we know when the heartbeat beings. 94% of abortions are had on healthy women having healthy babies. It's being used as birth control. We never dreamed we could get rid of Roe,other countries have strict abortion laws, and I don't mean Muslims. People of conscience, not just Christians need to stand up and say enough is enough to all these radical ideals. Abortion is murder, we can prove it now more than ever before. And we need to go after these greedy doctors who know dam$ well what they are doing. We need to expose the truth, that fact that PP grew out of racism and that abortion itself is racist.

1. Re "All the arguments being used by the left are from 1973. It's not complex, we have the technology, we know the stages, we know when the heartbeat begins.": Actually, we don't, because it is not being taught to every high school student.

2. "94% of abortions are had on healthy women having healthy babies. It's being used as birth control.": Yes, what happened to the pill?

3. "We never dreamed we could get rid of Roe, other countries have strict abortion laws, and I don't mean Muslims." Good for them. We got Roe because those who opposed it did not argue effectively.

4. "People of conscience, not just Christians need to stand up and say enough is enough to all these radical ideals.": Yes, and the question I am leading us to consider is how to achieve that.

5. "Abortion is murder, we can prove it now more than ever before. And we need to go after these greedy doctors who know dam$ well what they are doing.": And what do you recommend the punishment be for the parents and doctors who conspire to abort?

6. "We need to expose the truth, that fact that PP grew out of racism and that abortion itself is racist.": Yes (although we usually say that we should expose the deeds of darkness :^)

True, but that is because the Dems have control of the school system and the narrative. I believe Trump will change that with school choice. I also think Trump will make changes in public schools. Already he's said he's getting rid of the transgender narrative.




The mantra for abortion when it first was passed in 73 was "safe and rare". Somewhere that changed and abortion has been made to look like the better, easier choice. I believe it's been a brain washing pushed by PP and it's Dem supporters.




I honestly think RBG saw that it was circling the drain. And she also knew she couldn't stop it.




Yes, and it may take more than one method to do that. But we should be heartened that we got rid Roe, and no one thought that was possible.




I hold women less accountable. I think the majority of women getting abortions are not activists and have been brain washed over the years to believe there is a difference between a fetus and a baby. The fact that a high percentage of women stop an abortion when they see an ultrasound proves that point. But the doctors know the truth. I think it should go in levels, losing a persons licence and practice and if nothing else will work, jail time.






In a time where people are super sensitive about racism, I think if we made PP roots clear it could help change minds and hearts.

I agree with everything you said, but I guess if women were educated about abortion being evil, they would become as guilty as the doctors and guilty of murder, which warrants being killed as punishment the last time I checked Scripture, so should they remain ignorant?

You make a good point regarding personhood, but now you need to think about how to eliminate abortion. Here are my thoughts:

On one side of the debate are those who believe that pregnant women have the right to kill their fetuses until birth (“birthists”). On the opposite side of the issue are those who believe that fetuses have the right to live from conception (“conceptionists”). The Bible does not specifically address this question, although two passages (EX 21:22-25 & LK 1:41-44) seem to suggest that an unborn baby should be considered a person at least by the time of quickening. However, if a person studies fetal development, at some point he/she will probably contemplate two pictures: one of a seven-month-old fetus in the womb, and one of a seven-month-old premature but viable baby outside the womb.

This should lead a reasonable person to understand that geographical location is not a valid basis for defining personhood. There is no qualitative change that occurs at birth, merely a difference in the mode of breathing and feeding. And so a person will be led to consider the crucial question: when does a developing fetus become a human person with the God-given right to civil life so that to kill it is murder and warrants punishment? People on both sides of the debate usually overlook this question when they discuss this issue, but considerations other than the advent of personhood are irrelevant, unless someone would use the same rationale to justify the killing of children and adults.

Those who adopt the conceptionist viewpoint are certainly right that a qualitative change occurs when the chromosomes in the egg and sperm are united, so that physical development of a new human being begins. and they should mourn the death of a miscarried fetus at any stage of development in the same manner they would memorialize the death of a post-birth baby, in order to practice what they preach or believe. Those who adopt the birthist opinion apparently assume that birth is the qualitative change that marks the beginning of personhood. However, learning about fetal development should enable birthists to realize that the advent of personhood definitely does not extend beyond the seventh month or viability, when a premature baby is frequently able to survive.
Thus, birthists should at least become “viabilitists”.

Are there any changes between conception and viability that might more reasonably/logically be viewed as indicative of the beginning of personality? There is one possibility: the counterpart of the basis doctors use for determining when an adult person no longer is alive. This basis is brain death or the absence of certain brain wave activity detected by an electroencephalo-gram (EEG). We might call this stage “sentience”, referring to the level of brain activity which indicates the fetus has brain life and is therefore a person, who should be granted the civil right to life. If our best definition of sentient death is the cessation of these brain waves, then it is logical and consistent to view sentient life/personhood as beginning at least when these brain waves are detectable. Thus, I think every open-minded and truth-seeking person on both sides of the abortion debate should agree that the fetus becomes sentient and a legal person at least by that stage of development. Birthists or viabilists and conceptionists should become “sentientists“.

This is only a partial solution, but it is better than the current consensus that allows abortion throughout pregnancy. It is a big step in the right direction toward no abortion except in order to save the life of the mother. It recognizes that a gray area still exists from conception until sentience, so people may still reasonably disagree about the status of the fetus during this period, which may change as science improves. This view permits some forms of birth control. Implementing this solution requires educating every post-pubescent person about fetal development until society develops a new consensus that when a fetus becomes a sentient person, abortion is a type of murder and should be punished appropriately. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Abortion Numbers Up Since Roe v. Wade Overturned:

Despite Bans, Number of Abortions in the United

Abortions have risen slightly since Roe was overturned,

Abortions have increased, even in states with bans, report finds

Guess folks are in a hurry to kill of the unwanted babies. Can it really be cheaper than Birth Control?