Understanding God’s election

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Cameron143

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Cranberry said:
Maybe you might consider that fact regarding their posts as well as others like them here as a God sent blessing?

They reiterate what we are told as far as who God assures shall be blessed by His Holy Spirit so to rightly divine His word.

It isn't them. Yet,they are responsible for providing that assurance we are eternally secure in.
God's word is truth.
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That's an excellent attitude. Why do you believe I don't? I'm asking for my edification. What did I post that led to your conclusion so I don't repeat my mistake?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm endeavoring to never let an opportunity for kindness slip by. And thanks for the encouragement.
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It is interesting to me that the person(s) you intend to be the recipient of your generosity of spirit still
castigates criticizes and complains about you as if you made no such gracious efforts toward them at all.
It really does display quite starkly their inability to exercise discernment, or express any gratitude.
 
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lrs68 said:
The Old Testament Saints were looking for the coming Messiah to save them. Jacob on his death bed spoke about the coming Shiloh. The prophets believed in the coming Messiah. Even Jesus said Abraham was looking forward to Jesus' day.
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I'll await your reply to Cameron #6539.
 
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HeIsHere said:


I read this .. seems quite clear.




If God did not design it then God is not sovereign, then who did design it, it could not have been some spontaneous uncontrolled result.
God determined the effects of the fall on man's nature.
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There's a difference between God foreordaining (designing in eternity) the effects that sin would have on man's nature and God "GIVING" man that nature. Adam gave himself and all his progeny their fallen, sinful, evil, vile, wicked nature.
 
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Cameron143 said:
That's an excellent attitude. Why do you believe I don't? I'm asking for my edification. What did I post that led to your conclusion so I don't repeat my mistake?
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Mine wasn't an observation regarding your laxity in that regard. It was a reminder in the hope that though many here try to distract God's Saints that we might all take a moment for reflection upon what we already know but that might be obscured by what hopes to distract us from that with their fallen behaviors.
 
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Magenta said:
It is interesting to me that the person(s) you intend to be the recipient of your generosity of spirit still
castigates criticizes and complains about you as if you made no such gracious efforts toward them at all.
It really does display quite starkly their inability to exercise discernment, or express any gratitude.
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I'm learning to put expectations on myself and not others. That way, others serve as a threshing floor upon which to remove my chaff. Also, I can never be disappointed in the actions of another or take offense to them as they become a help and not a hindrance to my goal of becoming more like Christ.
 
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Cranberry said:
Mine wasn't an observation regarding your laxity in that regard. It was a reminder in the hope that though many here try to distract God's Saints that we might all take a moment for reflection upon what we already know but that might be obscured by what hopes to distract us from that with their fallen behaviors.
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Then I appreciate the exhortation.
 
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HeIsHere said:
No it makes god responsible for every evil act because he designed man's fallen character to be that way you define it .....you know completely fallen, a slave to sin, factors beyond man's control... and on and on.
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But mankind's God- appointed Federal Head was completely in control of his choice to obey or not and in control of his eternal destiny since he was not encumbered by a fallen nature -- and even more than that Adam was created ALIVE unto God since he was indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which he soon lost (which is how he died spiritually on the day he ate!).

You have a real problem with Original Sin, don't you?
 
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Rufus said:
There's a difference between God foreordaining (designing in eternity) the effects that sin would have on man's nature and God "GIVING" man that nature. Adam gave himself and all his progeny their fallen, sinful, evil, vile, wicked nature.
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That isn't scripture.

Adam sinned because Adam broke the law of God. And by that act sin that preexisted the world entered the world.
Adam and Eve and future generations born from them were cursed by God.
Genesis 2

Adam is not the Creator. He was the created.
 
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Rufus said:
You still don't read too swell, do you? God did predetermine their eternal destiny before they sinned! He chose in eternity to not save any of the fallen angels, so does that make him unjust, unfair, unrighteous, unloving?
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God had determined their eternal destiny if they chose to sin. Likewise, if they chose not to sin, he knew what their destiny would be.

There are ifs and then all through scripture. If you do this, then this will happen. But if you do this, then that will happen. choose.
 
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Magenta said:
You are understood just fine by those who do not have an agenda to deliberately twist what you say.
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I don't even think that HE actually knows what he is saying.

Is just a bunch of a high sounding blah blah blah crowing.
Intentionally pointless and meaningless IMO.

A perpetually swirling miasma of Calvinite moving targets.
With nobody EVER nailing a bull's-eye.
 
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Rufus said:
You still don't read too swell, do you? God did predetermine their eternal destiny before they sinned! He chose in eternity to not save any of the fallen angels, so does that make him unjust, unfair, unrighteous, unloving?
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Yes. Yes, it does make your god unjust, unfair and unloving. He is just a sovereign god.

Our God is Fair, Just,Loving, sovereign ALL at the same time. Our God is big enough to be Sovereign over mankind's God given freewill.

Our Justice system doesn't beat a man BEFORE he does things worthy of stripes....Neither does our God. Yours.........
 
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Cameron143 said:
Saying God is culpable for the actions of men and angels and unjust should be seen as a dilemma.
I have no problem with election as taught in the Bible. It is perfectly in accordance with His attributes and ways.
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If it weren't for God gracious act of election of many to salvation, none of us would be having this kind of conversation since we would be sharing in the eternal destiny of the fallen angels.
 
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cv5 said:
I don't even think that HE actually knows what he is saying.

Is just a bunch of a high sounding blah blah blah crowing.
Intentionally pointless and meaningless IMO.

A perpetually swirling miasma of Calvinite moving targets.
With nobody EVER nailing a bull's-eye.
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Just think threshing floor and rejoice on my behalf.
 
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Rufus said:
If it weren't for God gracious act of election of many to salvation, none of us would be having this kind of conversation since we would be sharing in the eternal destiny of the fallen angels.
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Agree. At some point we should introduce a thread of the purpose of God in creation, and the subsequent ways this has been accomplished since creation, and how it is being worked out still today.
 
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Kroogz said:
Our Justice system doesn't beat a man BEFORE he does things worthy of stripes....Neither does our God. Yours.........
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The Calvinites portray God as the greatest arch criminal of all time.
That's the quiet part they dare not say out loud.

Satan's lies are proving to still be very effective on these preening crowing gnostics.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm learning to put expectations on myself and not others. That way, others serve as a threshing floor
upon which to remove my chaff. Also, I can never be disappointed in the actions of another or take
offense to them as they become a help and not a hindrance to my goal of becoming more like Christ.
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I see there is a book called "Nobility of Spirit: A Forgotten Ideal." The author puts forward the idea that
human dignity and freedom are imperiled in today's world, with nobility of spirit, the quintessence of a
civilized life, scarcely considered and slipping away. Yet you do embody that quality. And I appreciate it.
 
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Cranberry said:
Adam sinned because Adam broke the law of God. And by that act sin that preexisted the world entered the world.
Adam and Eve and future generations born from them were cursed by God.
Genesis 2
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Some say Adam was not cursed but that the ground was. He did however have consequences, of course.
 
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cv5 said:
The Calvinites portray God as the greatest arch criminal of all time.
That's the quiet part they dare not say out loud.

Satan's lies are proving to still be very effective on these preening crowing gnostics.
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Yeah. In the Calvies world God is malevolent rather than benevolent.

Satans ACE TRUMP.
 
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Kroogz said:
Yes. Yes, it does make your god unjust, unfair and unloving. He is just a sovereign god.

Our God is Fair, Just,Loving, sovereign ALL at the same time. Our God is big enough to be Sovereign over mankind's God given freewill.

Our Justice system doesn't beat a man BEFORE he does things worthy of stripes....Neither does our God. Yours.........
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There you have it, folks! It's becoming increasing clearer to me that freewillers prefer a deistic God opposed to a theistic one! Mr. Kroogz has just confessed that God is "unjust, unfair and unloving" not providing any salvific remedy for the fallen angels. And I'm not surprised by this revelation, as weeks ago we learned that some here think that fallen man is worthy to be saved! :rolleyes:

But as for me and my household, we believe that our Sovereign God is just!
 
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