Trusting Proverbs

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I suppose the title should be “trusting Solomon” as he wrote most of proverbs. The problem I have is that he was somebody who truly left the Lord and followed after his own desires. Yes, I know all of the Bible writers were flawed. Perhaps he seems exceptional in my eyes. For example, he gives a lot of advice regarding Marriage and faithfulness to our spouses yet he had hundreds and hundreds of wives and concubines. there are other aspects of life he was a so-called expert on. However, I doubt he followed those principles as well. Hopefully somebody can help clarify this so I can trust the proverbs.
 

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I suppose the title should be “trusting Solomon” as he wrote most of proverbs. The problem I have is that he was somebody who truly left the Lord and followed after his own desires. Yes, I know all of the Bible writers were flawed. Perhaps he seems exceptional in my eyes. For example, he gives a lot of advice regarding Marriage and faithfulness to our spouses yet he had hundreds and hundreds of wives and concubines. there are other aspects of life he was a so-called expert on. However, I doubt he followed those principles as well. Hopefully somebody can help clarify this so I can trust the proverbs.
it was actually not uncommon to have more than one wife back then even abraham had more than one
 
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it was actually not uncommon to have more than one wife back then even abraham had more than one
Yes, I agree. But Soloman also had pride as well as pride of money. Both of these he speaks against in proverbs. It does seem hypocritical to me and goes against the old saying of practice what you preach.
 

Blain

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Yes, I agree. But Soloman also had pride as well as pride of money. Both of these he speaks against in proverbs. It does seem hypocritical to me and goes against the old saying of practice what you preach.
understandable maybe though take the proverbs as the word of God instead of from Solomen that might help proverbs is one of my favorites only under the book of psalms but even David who was called the man after God's heart constantly did things he knew not to some very bad things as well
 

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Yes, I agree. But Soloman also had pride as well as pride of money. Both of these he speaks against in proverbs. It does seem hypocritical to me and goes against the old saying of practice what you preach.
You're going to have to make some sort of peace with some OT subjects and pick your favorites and least favorites.
For example David, for me, is the least favorite character in the OT precisely because of his pride and ego.
But i tolerate David because Christ quoted him and i guess he's important in God's plan, just like all of us are important in this Creation.
So pick your favorites and make peace with some topics and subjects in the OT.
 

Eli1

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During our weekly Bible studies many years ago, i plainly asked the group and the priest this exact question: Why is this guy (David) even in the Bible? Why aren't we in the Bible?
The priest said that : We are in the Bible, all of us and that part is more obvious in the Book of Acts.
 
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I suppose the title should be “trusting Solomon” as he wrote most of proverbs. The problem I have is that he was somebody who truly left the Lord and followed after his own desires. Yes, I know all of the Bible writers were flawed. Perhaps he seems exceptional in my eyes. For example, he gives a lot of advice regarding Marriage and faithfulness to our spouses yet he had hundreds and hundreds of wives and concubines. there are other aspects of life he was a so-called expert on. However, I doubt he followed those principles as well. Hopefully somebody can help clarify this so I can trust the proverbs.
Everything was written for our admonition. Solomon is an example for us that we should take heed lest we too should fall
 
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Yes, I agree. But Soloman also had pride as well as pride of money. Both of these he speaks against in proverbs. It does seem hypocritical to me and goes against the old saying of practice what you preach.
He learned and shared his learning, you might see to read Ecclesiastes "All is Vanity: All have sinned and gone against God, wanting to be god (good) themselves
That is the story of the entire Bible to me at least to see I need God to lead for it not to be vanity anymore.
Solomon shared his learning and said better to only have one wife
And it is up to each person to decide truth over error. God knows the entire truth and is for me given in the risen Son not Solomon or the dead Son, shared by Solomon for edification
Wisdom by the way is feminine ever notice that, in proverbs?
However it is your choice to personally believe God or not
God be the only one for me that can and does sort it all out, thanks hoping the best for you too thank you
 

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Yes, I agree. But Soloman also had pride as well as pride of money. Both of these he speaks against in proverbs. It does seem hypocritical to me and goes against the old saying of practice what you preach.
Do we know exactly when Solomon wrote Proverbs? His idolatry could have come much later. And perhaps
it would also be helpful to consider that it is quite possible that at least some of his wives were for the
reason of forging bonds with other nations for economic or other reasons to help ensure peace.
People always assume he had intercourse with all of them, but intercourse was not necessary.
You might think it would be, but even Joseph and Mary were considered married beforehand.
 
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Do we know exactly when Solomon wrote Proverbs? His idolatry could have come much later. And perhaps
it would also be helpful to consider that it is quite possible that at least some of his wives were for the
reason of forging bonds with other nations for economic or other reasons to help ensure peace.
People always assume he had intercourse with all of them, but intercourse was not necessary.
You might think it would be, but even Joseph and Mary were considered married beforehand.
Thanks for the insight given you to share here, woe is me. How could he have had inter-coarse with all those women
Wow, it is not porn as might be most imagine. Wisdom is what Solomon got given, wow!
They must all have sought that out after he said cut the baby in half, as then the real mom spoke up, amazing wisdom given to us as well
That was well said, thank you
 

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I suppose the title should be “trusting Solomon” as he wrote most of proverbs. The problem I have is that he was somebody who truly left the Lord and followed after his own desires. Yes, I know all of the Bible writers were flawed. Perhaps he seems exceptional in my eyes. For example, he gives a lot of advice regarding Marriage and faithfulness to our spouses yet he had hundreds and hundreds of wives and concubines. there are other aspects of life he was a so-called expert on. However, I doubt he followed those principles as well. Hopefully somebody can help clarify this so I can trust the proverbs.
You can trust if because Solomon wrote it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
 

maxwel

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Why did God use a man as flawed as Solomon to write Proverbs?


1.) There is no other category of man - flawed is the only category we have.

2.) God IMBUED Solomon with a UNIQUE gift of wisdom, just for his position and calling... that is stated in scripture.

3.) Solomon's many failures became lessons for him to draw from, just as we draw wisdom from our own past mistakes.
His sins became part of his understanding, a very pained understanding... so when he spoke of evils to avoid, he understood it first hand.


Hope you all have a great week.
God Bless.
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I suppose the title should be “trusting Solomon” as he wrote most of proverbs. The problem I have is that he was somebody who truly left the Lord and followed after his own desires. Yes, I know all of the Bible writers were flawed. Perhaps he seems exceptional in my eyes. For example, he gives a lot of advice regarding Marriage and faithfulness to our spouses yet he had hundreds and hundreds of wives and concubines. there are other aspects of life he was a so-called expert on. However, I doubt he followed those principles as well. Hopefully somebody can help clarify this so I can trust the proverbs.
nothing new here ;)

Ecclesiastes 7:20​
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:23-24​
All this I have tested by wisdom. I said,
"I will be wise,"
but it was far from me. That which has been is far off, and deep, very deep; who can find it out?
 
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I suppose the title should be “trusting Solomon” as he wrote most of proverbs. The problem I have is that he was somebody who truly left the Lord and followed after his own desires. Yes, I know all of the Bible writers were flawed. Perhaps he seems exceptional in my eyes. For example, he gives a lot of advice regarding Marriage and faithfulness to our spouses yet he had hundreds and hundreds of wives and concubines. there are other aspects of life he was a so-called expert on. However, I doubt he followed those principles as well. Hopefully somebody can help clarify this so I can trust the proverbs.
if you don't think you can trust the wisdom of someone who was ever not wise, ich habe zwei Ratschläge für Sie:

  1. you don't know wisdom if you think a wise man never stumbles
  2. all scripture is breathed by the Spirit of Christ, and He never stumbles.
 

Magenta

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nothing new here ;)

Ecclesiastes 7:20​
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:23-24​
All this I have tested by wisdom. I said,
"I will be wise,"
but it was far from me. That which has been is far off, and deep, very deep; who can find it out?

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there a case where one can say, "Look, this is new"? It has already existed in the ages before us.
:)
 

SonJudgment

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Well the most obvious thing about the Proverbs is that they are true. They're not just true because anyone says they are or because of who wrote them, they're true because you can apply them and see the results, or you can make the same observations that are made by Solomon in the Proverbs and see that they are true. After all this is why they are called proverbs, which is merely a popular saying or short statement of general truth.
 

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I suppose the title should be “trusting Solomon” as he wrote most of proverbs. The problem I have is that he was somebody who truly left the Lord and followed after his own desires. Yes, I know all of the Bible writers were flawed. Perhaps he seems exceptional in my eyes. For example, he gives a lot of advice regarding Marriage and faithfulness to our spouses yet he had hundreds and hundreds of wives and concubines. there are other aspects of life he was a so-called expert on. However, I doubt he followed those principles as well. Hopefully somebody can help clarify this so I can trust the proverbs.
I don't think about whether Solomon was a hypocrite, I just try to find wisdom in the proverbs as the Lord leads. It's like Jesus telling His disciples about the Pharisees: Do what they say but don't do what they do.