Fundamentalism and Particular Baptists

People seem to forget:
Israel went to seed doctrinally. Broken beyond repair.
Jesus did not try and salvage it. He decommissioned it.

Similarly take a look at the Church today and ask yourself: is the end of the Church age and tribulation right around the corner?

His Name is Yeshua, revere It and learn

Oh I get it.
I should begin to address you as right honorable Reverend. Is that what you are intending to convey?

I do not remember any calvin teaching in the baptist churches I grew up in. Not saying it was not there (i was a kid for most of it) but when I became an adult. the churches I went to did not deal with TULIP.

They all believed in free will (it was not a free will baptist) from my recollections. But I know they also partnered or promoted books or churches who would be considered calvinisitc in nature.

it is interesting that until I joined a christian chat about 5 years ago. I never knew the animosity between arminian and calvin thinking peoples. I have seen some heated debates (in this chatroom on debate got so heated. probably 10 or 15 people got banned)

amen.. denominational infighting not only divides the church. but the world is watching

I have noticed a lot of Calvinist ideas, and Reformed ideas more generally, in Baptist Churches which area not Calvinistic. Offhand, Sola Scriptura, a covenantal view of church life, the regulative principle of worship, moral and cultural transformation, preaching as central to worship, the priesthood of all believers, congregational polity with an emphasis on elder leadership, misssional theology, god’s sovereignty in history, piety and discipline. All of these were articulated and brought into central focus by Calvin and others like him, but non-Calvinists are unaware of this because they're so commonplace. They only know Calvin for the doctrines of grace, when in fact they have indirectly absorbed many things from Calvin's pastoral works and Reformed controversies.

Particular/Regular Baptists are most common in the south/northwest of the USA, and England. General Baptists are definitely more common. However, 3/10 pastors identifies as a Calvinist in Baptist Churches: it's more the parishioners who don't know what their pastor wants them to believe, or the denomination allows for multiple views.

It's mostly just emotionally unhealthy people and weirdos on the internet who have too much free time. There are a few preachers who still have real life meltdowns over Calvinism, but most Christians know nothing about it and aren't especially invested. Old Calvinist churches are not usually fantastical about proving predestination to everyone.

So does anyone have any insight into what happened in the first church in Providence that originally adhered to the 6 principles? I read that there was a split-off into another church after a Calvinist pastor was appointed. I really don't care about ecclesiological matters at all, but I would like to know more about that particular church because an ancestor was one of the original 12 founders

Amen, as for as entrance into the kingdom. there is only one gospel.. Yet of all churches. three general gospels are proclaimed.

it is not the church that gets you in, Its the gospel.

His name is yeshua in hebrew
Iesus in greek
Jesus in english Transliterated from Iesus) or Joshua - English translation of Yeshua
I did not know Latin gave him another name. so many names, I tell you

I have read many a calvinist pastors works. and like you said here. Most if it is not anything I would disagree with.

The issue begins with TULIP. And then the fight between Arminian 5 points and Tulip. I think that is where the heated debates come in.. And if you notice. If you believe in grace, your automatically deemed a calvinist. Even if you are not.. Which is where the breakdown comes. If I say I believe in Grace through faith alone. and someone tries to point me as a calvinist who believes in TULIP (which I do not) there can be no discussion., so it gets heated and the accusations keep flying..


Most likely this is true

The term fundamentalist has in germany sadly a very bad interpretation. Most people have in mind Islam Fundamentalism.
For me the word fundamentalist as child of God means that the bible is my fundament!
Independet from any denomination doctrine.

Local Baptist pastor and family were at a gathering of our local Bible camp with several "denominations" , His family was sitting at our table, Holy Spirit manifested on us all at the table, I explained this to his family who were in awe. Pastor raced over to explain how this doesn't happen anymore, I was able to share how his family just experienced what he says God doesn't do anymore.
He is gone from that church after more than a 15 years, the new pastor and his bride and family are Spirit filled.
I had a divine encounter with them first time we met, Holy Spirit manifested strongly we then prayed for their ministry here, they are now experiencing over whelming growth in this previously underwhelming congregation.
In addition He always manifests confirmation when I ask if harpazo is near, we are running out of time to get right.
blessings

St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas would certainly be surprised to discover that they were Calvinists!

yes.. I believe Calvin followed them. Its amazing he gets credit for their work.

Especially because he never claimed credit for it!
From Institutes of the Christian Religion:
— Preface
— Book 1, Chapter 9
— Book 2, Chapter 2
— Book 3, Chapter 11

And:
— Letter to the King of France, 1543

I think all the calvin debates is just satan trying to divide the church

It's not so much the debates or the subject but the way people turn it into tribal identity politics. Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of a certain amount of identity politics - in politics. There's no place for it in theology, though. I feel like Lutherans sometimes adopt views Luther would reject just because they don't want to admit how close he was to a Calvinist, out of some sectarian antagonism. It's not reciprocated: Calvinists generally like Lutheranism.

Just wait until you get into a real calvinist debate. It will blow your mind that Christians can treat each other this way.

I personally would rather discuss doctrine or the word of God. not what this church or that church teaches. I think if we could just do this. would be so much more peaceful. As an example. Open a thread on OSAS and watch the fireworks.

From my post on a different thread. The stakes are far too high in this debate to simply brush off in the name of "unity".
This bogus doctrine of the Pharisees was confronted by Jesus, taught by Jesus to be FALSE, then warned of by Jesus, then condemned by Jesus. This is no joke.

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The Pharisees thought they were born saved..................Proven wrong by Jesus Himself.
Calvinites think they are pre-born saved..............................Same heresy amped to the next level.

And what does the Final Authority say about this?

He says that you must be BORN ***AGAIN*** AFTER you were firstly born in sin.
Not PRE-SELECTED BEFORE you were born when there IS NO SIN.

IMO the pharisaical doctrine of being "born saved" and "saved by surgery" was the ultimate cause of the downfall of the nation.
They lost their salvation message mojo (that being ANYONE may enter the covenant of His Blood) and then they lost their commission and nation.

As he does with denominational teaching and discussion.
best wishes