1 John 2:1 — “that ye sin not”

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Believer08

Active member
Jan 27, 2025
266
63
28
#1
I believe what John is saying in the first half of 1 Jn 2:1 goes back to 1 Jn 1:6 about walking in darkness. He writes these things unto the brethren, that ye sin not, which would be referring to not walking in darkness, as that would be sin. He doesn’t want the brethren to do that, and lets them know that if they do they have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ. If they confess their sins they’d be forgiven (1 Jn. 1:9).

In v5-6, John says (KJV) “keepeth his word” and “abideth in him”. 1 Jn 2:1 can’t be referring to one single sin or we are all damned, as we have all sinned (Rom. 3:23; ). So, when he says “that ye sin not”, he is saying not to continue in sin (Rom. 6:1), or have a lifestyle of sin by walking in darkness (1 Jn. 1:6).

The same is said in 1 Jn. 1:8, “if we say that we have no sin”

When one is walking in darkness and someone says they have no sin, they are deceiving themselves, and the truth is not in them (v8). Why? 1 Jn. 2:4 answers it. It is because he doesn’t keep God’s commandments, is a liar, and truth is not in him.
 

timemeddler

Active member
Jul 13, 2023
491
218
43
#2
yeah, sadly it's easy to develop sinful habits which I'd say are more serious than random individual sins.
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
17,205
693
113
#3
yeah, sadly it's easy to develop sinful habits which I'd say are more serious than random individual sins.
Which gets started under Law for all, I know under Law got me
Thanks
 
Nov 14, 2024
1,355
924
113
#4
I believe what John is saying in the first half of 1 Jn 2:1 goes back to 1 Jn 1:6 about walking in darkness. He writes these things unto the brethren, that ye sin not, which would be referring to not walking in darkness, as that would be sin. He doesn’t want the brethren to do that, and lets them know that if they do they have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ. If they confess their sins they’d be forgiven (1 Jn. 1:9).

In v5-6, John says (KJV) “keepeth his word” and “abideth in him”. 1 Jn 2:1 can’t be referring to one single sin or we are all damned, as we have all sinned (Rom. 3:23; ). So, when he says “that ye sin not”, he is saying not to continue in sin (Rom. 6:1), or have a lifestyle of sin by walking in darkness (1 Jn. 1:6).

The same is said in 1 Jn. 1:8, “if we say that we have no sin”

When one is walking in darkness and someone says they have no sin, they are deceiving themselves, and the truth is not in them (v8). Why? 1 Jn. 2:4 answers it. It is because he doesn’t keep God’s commandments, is a liar, and truth is not in him.
The only way that we can stop sinning is by truly abiding in him.

1Jo 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

There is no sin in Christ, and if we are truly abiding in him, then we will gradually cease from sinning ourselves. In his gospel, this same John recorded the following words of Jesus.

Jhn 15:1
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Jhn 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Jhn 15:3
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Jhn 15:4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Jhn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Jhn 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Jhn 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Jhn 15:8
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

In the same way that a branch can only bear fruit while abiding in the vine, we can only bear fruit by abiding in Christ. Christ is a good vine, and if we are producing bad fruit while claiming to abide in him, then something is terribly wrong.

At one extreme, the Father, who is the figurative husbandmen, will purge or prune the branches that are truly abiding in Christ, and, therefore, are producing good fruit so that they might produce even more good fruit. In other words, God will deal with sinful areas in our lives by seeking to cut them away, as a husbandman clips dead twigs off of a branch, and this requires true repentance on our parts so that we might be even more fruitful in the things of God.

As Christians, we have been called unto obedience and the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.

1Pe 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

During our sanctification process, or when the husbandmen is pruning us so that we might produce more fruit, we need to run to the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ for cleansing. This, I believe, falls perfectly in line with what John stated here.

1Jo 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John wrote these things that we would not sin, and not as some sort of justification to keep on sinning. If we do sin during our sanctification process, then we do have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, and we can be cleansed via the sprinkling of his blood. Again, this perfectly aligns with what John said here.

1Jo 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

At the other extreme, there are many professing Christians who claim that they are abiding in Christ, yet, seemingly, they are not at war with their sins. In other words, they have a very cavalier or dismissive attitude towards sin, and, therefore, they never truly seek to eradicate it from their lives by truly abiding in Christ.

Jesus said:

Mat 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Is Jesus a good tree/good vine or a bad tree/bad vine?

If he is a good tree/vine, and he is, and if we are truly abiding in him, then we ought to be bringing forth good fruit because a good tree/vine cannot produce bad fruit.

Of course, many, even here, will rail against or dismiss what I just said by calling it something silly like "legalism," "works salvation," or "Lordship salvation," but those who truly know Christ, and who truly seek to abide him, would never say such things.

2Co 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2Co 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
17,205
693
113
#5
I believe what John is saying in the first half of 1 Jn 2:1 goes back to 1 Jn 1:6 about walking in darkness. He writes these things unto the brethren, that ye sin not, which would be referring to not walking in darkness, as that would be sin. He doesn’t want the brethren to do that, and lets them know that if they do they have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ. If they confess their sins they’d be forgiven (1 Jn. 1:9).

In v5-6, John says (KJV) “keepeth his word” and “abideth in him”. 1 Jn 2:1 can’t be referring to one single sin or we are all damned, as we have all sinned (Rom. 3:23; ). So, when he says “that ye sin not”, he is saying not to continue in sin (Rom. 6:1), or have a lifestyle of sin by walking in darkness (1 Jn. 1:6).

The same is said in 1 Jn. 1:8, “if we say that we have no sin”

When one is walking in darkness and someone says they have no sin, they are deceiving themselves, and the truth is not in them (v8). Why? 1 Jn. 2:4 answers it. It is because he doesn’t keep God’s commandments, is a liar, and truth is not in him.
The only sin left, after the death is not a sin until one chooses to not believe God consciously the Father of the risen Son. Father in the Holy Spirit will present himself to us all, to choose to believe God in risen Son for them or not. Seeing the Son did take away Law (Sin) at his one time death for all, (Hebrews 10:10) read the entire chapter please, fulfilled the Law, for Law, literal law, to be taken out of his children and love takes over in old laws place, God's type of Love 1 Cor 13:4-7, which God places in us
He did it, it is done (John 19:30) read all of John as a whole, keeping in unison of what is done for us all by Son, since not one other person could ever be perfect but Son. He took away all sin in his Father's sight for us to now be able to enter the Temple, where that torn curtain was ripped apart when son gave up his earth life in flesh and blood willingly for us the people to believe or not. To now freely enter God Father's Spirit Temple. Why? To have a conversation without getting judged and killed instantly as under Law does that, reveals that, to me and so now I thank Father and son in thanksgiving and praise not being perfect myself ever.
What? Amazing, Yes God is good all the time as good is God all the time in Mercy and love to us all. This has been this way since day one in the fall of Adam. Mercy, God clothed Adam and Eve. did not kill them, put them out of the Garden and let them play God to till the earth for themselves. God simply loves us all and went through the biggest tragedy ever for us all to be saved in love and mercy for, to give us the love, for us all to love all, not the few religion only teaches to only love those that are in with you. God just loves us all y'all
How can one, anyone respond to that and be in love back? I can't freely I choose, chose God over everything else I see physically

The original translation of 1 John 1:9 was to have (past tense) already forgiven us all, at that cross, for us to believe and cross over to new life in Father's Spirit and Truth as was already revealed in Jesus's earth life first. The perfect One fro us to be one with him in his resurrection, given this from Father, thank you Daddy PaPa
The new life is in God Father's Spirit and Truth, no other way, and Father imputes this truth freely to everyone that will not deny God, especially whenever anyone is in any adversities
Willing vessels is what I see God only uses why?
God does not force or manipulate anyone to believe God. If does or did, then free choice is not real is it? and then true love God claims God has form us all would not be real either

Here, is a great question. I want someone else to love me, how can I get that other one to love me without taking away their free will?
People take away peoples free will, God does not Thank you
 

Believer08

Active member
Jan 27, 2025
266
63
28
#6
1 John 3

“Whoever abides (remains) in Jesus sinneth not. In other words, does not keep on sinning is the idea. If we are a Christian, our life is not dominated by sin. This does not refer to occasionally stumbling into sin, because there is a difference in occasionally tripping and stumbling in sin, (which we all do as Christians), and then just living a willful continual life of rebellion of sin against God. Great godly men stumbled into sin. Abraham was the Father of the Jews and friend of God, but Abraham sinned. He lied on more than one occasion, but his was not a willful continual rebellious life of sin. David, we know him as a man after God’s own heart, but we know that he sinned as well. Peter, Moses, and others we could talk about, but the point is those were isolated incidences in their lives. They were not rebels every day. As long as we remain in Christ we are no longer in the grip of sin. We are living in the Lord. Now, the contrast, whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him, are the ones that are habitual devil-may-care attitude of the rebellious sinner, who cares nothing for the Lord, cares nothing for righteousness, nothing for the church, nothing for godliness, and this type of person really does not know the Lord at all. Unfortunately, we all know people like that. A person who will not let go of sin. Sometimes it is hard to let go of sin for many people, and without the Lord it is impossible to let go of sin. It is impossible to let go of sin without remaining in the Lord. There are deceivers in the world when it comes to teaching. Do not be deceived by ones who say “You can live for God and sin all you want to.” It is simply not the truth, and you are deceived if you believe that. He who lives a continual rebellious life of sin is of the devil. Satan governs those who choose his (Satan’s) lifestyle. If you choose that lifestyle you are of the devil. If your lifestyle is rebellion to God then you are of the devil. Jesus was manifested to take away our sins. Whenever the gospel is taught, Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. When people obeys the gospel, Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. When people who are enemies become friends, Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. When someone puts the bottle down for good, guess what happens? Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. That is why Jesus was revealed and He is still destroying the works of the devil in the lives of those who give themselves to Him. We are to live a holy life because God loves us, and because Jesus died for us. Whoever is born of God does not live a continual habitual rebellious lifestyle of sin. A child of God lives for the Lord and not for the devil. The reason we do not live a life of sin is because the word of God remains in us. As long as we have the Holy Spirit in us through the word, then we are not going to be a rebel against God. We are not going to live a life of continual habitual life of sin against God. We need to be studying our bibles everyday. We are either a child of God or a child of the devil. One of the other.”
 

Believer08

Active member
Jan 27, 2025
266
63
28
#7
As usual, the internet is not a good place for Bible discussions. I find it a waste of time, as well as fruitless, as the people reading the others posts or threads don’t try to understand what the other person is saying. It is hard to have a cordial online conversation, as digital communication makes it incredibly difficult to detect how the reader is coming across. Some might think it’s coming off rude, when the person is trying to be nice, and that’s one of the main pitfalls with online typed discussions, is it comes across in a manner that you’re not intending it.

Instead of having a good conversation, people usually and automatically always want to point out their disagreements they have with someone’s post, crawl down their neck, and when people does that, no one is going to find unity.

I believe it’s time for me to leave certain online discussions.

Take care.
 

homwardbound

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2012
17,205
693
113
#8
1 John 3

“Whoever abides (remains) in Jesus sinneth not. In other words, does not keep on sinning is the idea. If we are a Christian, our life is not dominated by sin. This does not refer to occasionally stumbling into sin, because there is a difference in occasionally tripping and stumbling in sin, (which we all do as Christians), and then just living a willful continual life of rebellion of sin against God. Great godly men stumbled into sin. Abraham was the Father of the Jews and friend of God, but Abraham sinned. He lied on more than one occasion, but his was not a willful continual rebellious life of sin. David, we know him as a man after God’s own heart, but we know that he sinned as well. Peter, Moses, and others we could talk about, but the point is those were isolated incidences in their lives. They were not rebels every day. As long as we remain in Christ we are no longer in the grip of sin. We are living in the Lord. Now, the contrast, whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him, are the ones that are habitual devil-may-care attitude of the rebellious sinner, who cares nothing for the Lord, cares nothing for righteousness, nothing for the church, nothing for godliness, and this type of person really does not know the Lord at all. Unfortunately, we all know people like that. A person who will not let go of sin. Sometimes it is hard to let go of sin for many people, and without the Lord it is impossible to let go of sin. It is impossible to let go of sin without remaining in the Lord. There are deceivers in the world when it comes to teaching. Do not be deceived by ones who say “You can live for God and sin all you want to.” It is simply not the truth, and you are deceived if you believe that. He who lives a continual rebellious life of sin is of the devil. Satan governs those who choose his (Satan’s) lifestyle. If you choose that lifestyle you are of the devil. If your lifestyle is rebellion to God then you are of the devil. Jesus was manifested to take away our sins. Whenever the gospel is taught, Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. When people obeys the gospel, Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. When people who are enemies become friends, Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. When someone puts the bottle down for good, guess what happens? Jesus is destroying the works of the devil. That is why Jesus was revealed and He is still destroying the works of the devil in the lives of those who give themselves to Him. We are to live a holy life because God loves us, and because Jesus died for us. Whoever is born of God does not live a continual habitual rebellious lifestyle of sin. A child of God lives for the Lord and not for the devil. The reason we do not live a life of sin is because the word of God remains in us. As long as we have the Holy Spirit in us through the word, then we are not going to be a rebel against God. We are not going to live a life of continual habitual life of sin against God. We need to be studying our bibles everyday. We are either a child of God or a child of the devil. One of the other.”
Each and every person knows personally, whether they are with Father and Son or not as won for them (Romans 8), and now daily learning new in love to all, since that was given them first from God through Son the two as (One) Won for them, to love the same as was done for them by Son going to that cross willingly once for us all 1 John 2:1-12, he is risen after the propitiation of sin was taken away in his Father's sight for us all to believe or not believe, consciously. These, that are willing begin to stop sin, especially harming any one else ever again. If arguing and fighting, still much to learn as in 1 Cor 3 tells me about it, thanks for your post