Medicines Demonic or a help? HMM

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there are people who I knew who had a kid this kid had thyroid cancer he was only five years old but they believed medicine was evil since it was man made and refused treatment no chemo therapy no medicine nothing they prayed for healing and prayed and prayed all the while this poor kid was suffering and dying well guess what? he did not make it they lost their faith and became athiests and all this because they thought medicine was evil

I had cancer before as well and it was the doctors and the treatments that helped save my life I had a blood cancer luekemia if my mom was like that I would not be here today.
I would never have made it through surgery, if I did not take whatever was subscribed to me
I do not like to have to, be prescribed to take anything, ever since my youngest sister died on an overdose.
Take the help people, too much of anything or too little kills, steals, and destroys
I know of a person trapped and help came and that person said no, I am waiting on God
Send a helicopter, a boat and he died when there in heaven he asked. why did you not cone tp save me
God replied I sent you a helicopter and a boat
Time to listen I think
 
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I've had my share of medical problems and I am thankful for all the people who have helped me recover.
However, not having a medical background of my own, I have often wondered why they call vaccines developed in today's world vaccines!
As I grew up I saw various vaccines come into the world. The one I remember most is the Polio vaccine! However, smallpox, measles & others came along as well.
These vaccines pretty much eliminated the disease that they were developed to prevent.
So, I always thought of a vaccine as a medicine that eliminated something. However, in today's world vaccines such as a flu vac, may reduce the chance – but do not eliminate anything!

That's just one example, there are many more..............
When you look into it, the polio vaccine didn't actually eliminate polio, either. The medical establishment just redefined the polio disease to something else (so diagnosed polio cased plummeted), and manufacturers ceased spraying the same chemicals on the sugar used for candies - the true cause of polio - and eventually, less kids got polio from contaminated sweets. The only significant difference between the polio vaccines and vaccines today is that the internet has enabled the spread of truthful information to more readily undermine today's vaccine propaganda (so people are aware that today's vaccines don't cure or eliminate disease, just as yesterday's vaccines didn't cure or eliminate polio).
 
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I recommend you learn everything you can and beware the VA staff. There are good ones, but they earned their reputation for passing out bloody gowns to vets to taking their lives away faster than a hot war. You don't want to go home sooner than necessary brother.
Thank you, not just VA, all places, I even got bad prescriptions that caused stop up before and eye problems as well. Not on them anymore. The VA I go to now, has sincerely done well and are on it whenever any mistakes are made. The thing to do is, for me, to listen inside self, and hear God over troubles going on around me.
I saw that in 2012, when I went through Foreigners Gang Greene then. I yelled for help and said straight away, get that person out of here. I know whether I was right or wrong, that person was there to harm me. I saw it in Spirit and so I got help.
And I have a date stamped on me, that can extend or not, if Father decides to extend it or not and take me
I see what Paul was talking about in Romans 14, whether we live or die, we belong to God, therefore, no worries whether live or die here, we still alive there with Father and Son for us, who gave his life to save us in Son getting risen for us, God Father's Spirit snd Truth to us to stand in belief to it. Willing to die whenever that day comes up.
Willing is what I see as the key that opens that door to eternal life here or there, thanks for the warning
 
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My original post was not actually aimed at the intent medication is evil. I said sometimes the side effects created are evil. Trying to cure one ailment and end up with a second one kind of interjection to the meaning of my post. I say all of that because every Saturday my Mother has a pill caddy for every day of the week and each day there's pills for breakfast, noon, supper, bedtime. She ends up swallowing roughly 20 to 25 pills per day. Grant it some are the same medication but in different dosages. Then She is also diabetic and I give Her 20 mg and 50 mg of 2 forms of insulin.

What I am saying is it is too late for Her to go back and reevaluate. She's been on the same regiment now for the past 45 years. She would die if She stopped taking Her medication barring a miracle from God. It's heartbreaking and gut wrenching. But we are literally trapped holding onto faith in Her medication to keep Her with us.

My Dad suffered pretty much the same issue and we buried Him in 2017. Sadly it is what it is.

I stand in honor and I salute Your Service to this Great Nation of ours. I am thankful that all human beings have the ability to receive the medications required to keep them healthy and alive.

As a true fan of Science {Biology} and Mathematics {Formulas to create Medications} it reminds me of God Almighty. He is the Ultimate Lab Guru and we are able to imitate Him. I just wished our ability in Microbiology/Biology/Science + Mathematics/Chemistry was more refined to where the Outcome does the job but without the possible side effects.
there is now a blood test for Pharmaceutical DNA testing to get the right prescription, more likely correct the first time now
I took that test, amazing thank you
I take pills everyday as a part of my regiment
Aspirin is one, baby aspirin, and cholesterol pill also, I do over the counter also, At John's wart and Herba-life for eyes.
Weaning down on those slowly, nd back on if needed. I see, like drugs used from poisonous snakes is used in small doses now to heal people and it works, Look up prescriptions and see what it might be made of. Amazing using poison, small doses that heal. Just like Penicillin is used is a toxic mold, that was found out can heal people correctly and is used to do that
No matter what anyone does other than not does, always one's motive in doing or not doing leads people into a ditch or out of that ditch, God being the lead in me at least I see to not do too much or too little of anything. Willing to try and see, then decide to continue or not, remaining in Faith to Father over it all. Watching out for the Leaven of the Pharisees.
Emotions control behavior. I see that clearly know, how emotions do that to us in the flesh so fast, one reacts before can discern it first. Leaving Emotions knowing, no right or wrong, these simply predictably react to any situation so fast no time to react correctly, and then guilt sets in and pride as well.
Do not believe me, okay, go to a scary movie and get involved in it. when that scary pert happens, how do you react so fast, there was no time in discerning, hey this is not real, it is a movie, yet I predictably reacted too fast before any discerning, Might be why Matthew 10:16-20 is form us, to discern at least begin learning to.
Yet our emotions react and we either do not care about that or care, and pride steps in with guilt to boot
Religion loves that, because then you got to go to someone for help
That might be like as told to watch out for this in
Proverbs 23:1-7
 
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Emotions don't control behavior in a mature Christ centered person. We are to take all things to Him and perceive His guidance, then walk it out.
Man's medicine can be a way He directs us to go, the carnal man or unbeliever will give it 1st place and not the Lord.
The times I have gone to a physician lately Holy Spirit always manifests, and they always experience Him as well, and I am able to share His truth with them, to the point I have imparted Holy Spirt with the physician receiving palpably and appreciating.
We see in post #56 a rejection of giving 1st place to the Master and how it does not produce the Galatians c5 v22&23 attributes required of a saved person.
blessings
 
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Healthandhappiness, you are not the majority you've had a terrible experience and I'm sorry for your loss. Have comfort in knowing our father stores up our treasures in heaven for us. you will see your family again and he also promises vengeance on those that wronged us. its happening more often in this fallen world we live in. But some of us have been born with medical conditions that if we didn't take medicine we would have died young and other needs procedures/ medication to extend theirs. I don't think God considers taking medicine as evil. As Christians were the ones that made the most contributions to the medical field. God surly helped to further medical field to save people. Everyday there are miracles that doctors can't explain.
 
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Holy Moly .. You know about the Sect known as the Glory Barn?

What a small world we do actually live in (y)
Yup. I lived in central Western Ohio for several years, and the "Glory barn" was about 90 minutes away. Some of their folks worked at Minster Machine Company in Minster, Oh, where I was an Engineer. They had local satellites ("The Church" at Celina, OH, and another one in Wapakoneta, OH.) back in the '70s. There were some NOTABLE MIRACLES that I knew of from the Glory Barn, but also some outright tragedies.
 
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Religion loves that, because then you got to go to someone for help
That might be like as told to watch out for this in
Proverbs 23:1-7

So learn discernment from God for you in you personally
Proverbs 2:3-5
Yes, if you want better insight and discernment, and are searching for them as you would for lost money or hidden treasure, then wisdom will be given you and knowledge of God himself; you will soon learn the importance of reverence for the Lord and of trusting him.

Matthew 10:16
“I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. Be as wary as serpents and harmless as doves.
So learn be willing and you will learn from getting into troubles, that are put on u s or we do that ourselves. learning to fathom truth over error, as Only Father is good, Jesus included now once risen that reveals this to me
 
Jul 7, 2022
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My original post was not actually aimed at the intent medication is evil. I said sometimes the side effects created are evil. Trying to cure one ailment and end up with a second one kind of interjection to the meaning of my post. I say all of that because every Saturday my Mother has a pill caddy for every day of the week and each day there's pills for breakfast, noon, supper, bedtime. She ends up swallowing roughly 20 to 25 pills per day. Grant it some are the same medication but in different dosages. Then She is also diabetic and I give Her 20 mg and 50 mg of 2 forms of insulin.

What I am saying is it is too late for Her to go back and reevaluate. She's been on the same regiment now for the past 45 years. She would die if She stopped taking Her medication barring a miracle from God. It's heartbreaking and gut wrenching. But we are literally trapped holding onto faith in Her medication to keep Her with us.

My Dad suffered pretty much the same issue and we buried Him in 2017. Sadly it is what it is.

I stand in honor and I salute Your Service to this Great Nation of ours. I am thankful that all human beings have the ability to receive the medications required to keep them healthy and alive.

As a true fan of Science {Biology} and Mathematics {Formulas to create Medications} it reminds me of God Almighty. He is the Ultimate Lab Guru and we are able to imitate Him. I just wished our ability in Microbiology/Biology/Science + Mathematics/Chemistry was more refined to where the Outcome does the job but without the possible side effects.

The nature of synthetic chemicals added to our biology are harmful effects. The degrees vary based on a number of factors.

Example, my best friend took aspirin for heart health while riding a bike/ cardio, eating healthy and following other healthy lifestyle activities. The aspirin is considered a most innocuous medication by the average person and big pharma, so I choose this example.
Notice that the drug company Bayer did not include a bottle full of willow tree bark like God created. They have a tablet form that makes them big $, yet offers much higher risk than the natural botanical. It is a well known fact that aspirin often causes internal bleeding, ulceration. If my friend drank the bark in small dosage as a tea, ate / drank ginkgo biloba, hot peppers, garlic or any number of mild anticoagulants, he would likely be talking to us today.
Did God create Bayer Aspirin ?
No, He created many different anti inflammatories, pain relievers and blood thinners, including my favorite, water.

All that to say is that all drugs are not evil, however the love of money is what?

Did you know that Bayer pharmaceuticals reps and executives knowingly sold factor 8 that was contaminated with deadly ingredients to hemophiliacs worldwide?
I bring this up so we can all look at the bigger picture with a more balanced view than the one that Drs, TV shows, pastors and culture have provided.
I don't believe it's a simple issue as if God provides mankind pharmaceutical drugs or guides the surgeons hands as they operate. I know you didn't say that, but it was often taught or prayed in some churches I've attended.

God can provide safety in hospital settings and direct those who seek His direction, but they will often be led to disobey some directives. That takes a conscience and I respect those who exercise that and seek God's help in all areas of health.
 
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When you look into it, the polio vaccine didn't actually eliminate polio, either. The medical establishment just redefined the polio disease to something else (so diagnosed polio cased plummeted), and manufacturers ceased spraying the same chemicals on the sugar used for candies - the true cause of polio - and eventually, less kids got polio from contaminated sweets. The only significant difference between the polio vaccines and vaccines today is that the internet has enabled the spread of truthful information to more readily undermine today's vaccine propaganda (so people are aware that today's vaccines don't cure or eliminate disease, just as yesterday's vaccines didn't cure or eliminate polio).
FACT CHECK <= link
 
Jul 7, 2022
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real comforting thing to tell someone when they are sick. i sure hope no one tells you to just rot with your demons when you got pneumonia.

you should be denied medical treatment. dont worry God will heal you. if not, the demons will just kill you. deserved. you have 0 empathy and you personally are part of this satanic movement sweeping the fake churches today that is blaming people for being sick. remember that when you get sick Shittim. what you believe has driven hundreds of thousands of people away from Christ and has caused us to be mocked by any sane person reading and listening to the drivel you and your rat friends spew.
Just for your edification and education, I cured pneumonia many times with God's help. I also saw a family member who was given pneumonia as a gift from their medical health care providers and other son.

God provided the information from professionals I've studied under,from bee keepers and other direction.
I'm not bragging on myself. I'm bragging on the Lord Who provided healing cures and placed people with answers in my path. The typical medical doctors treatments were far worse than the onset of lung inflammation and threats of pneumonia. My biological brother's gift poured out more suffering than any enemy ever has. It led to my Mom getting murdered by those damned "health care pros" at his request.
I've had my share of medical problems and I am thankful for all the people who have helped me recover.
However, not having a medical background of my own, I have often wondered why they call vaccines developed in today's world vaccines!
As I grew up I saw various vaccines come into the world. The one I remember most is the Polio vaccine! However, smallpox, measles & others came along as well.
These vaccines pretty much eliminated the disease that they were developed to prevent.
So, I always thought of a vaccine as a medicine that eliminated something. However, in today's world vaccines such as a flu vac, may reduce the chance – but do not eliminate anything!

That's just one example, there are many more..............
That is the popular story that big pharma has spread all of our lives. They like to take credit for curing and wiping out disease.
Did you know that most who have gotten polio were vaccinated for it? I have spoken to many who have volunteered the fact that they got the flu shortly following that vaccine.
I've met too many parents who observed their children becoming autistic/ brain damaged following the MMR childhood series.
No wonder, the ingredients added cause she were brain damage.
Mercury is known for that, yet it's added to every vaccine. Children these days receive between 80-100 doses according to the medical schedule forced by pharmaceutical companies through the state legislatures and governors. One dose is not safe. We are talking about 80+!
 
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Thank you, not just VA, all places, I even got bad prescriptions that caused stop up before and eye problems as well. Not on them anymore. The VA I go to now, has sincerely done well and are on it whenever any mistakes are made. The thing to do is, for me, to listen inside self, and hear God over troubles going on around me.
I saw that in 2012, when I went through Foreigners Gang Greene then. I yelled for help and said straight away, get that person out of here. I know whether I was right or wrong, that person was there to harm me. I saw it in Spirit and so I got help.
And I have a date stamped on me, that can extend or not, if Father decides to extend it or not and take me
I see what Paul was talking about in Romans 14, whether we live or die, we belong to God, therefore, no worries whether live or die here, we still alive there with Father and Son for us, who gave his life to save us in Son getting risen for us, God Father's Spirit snd Truth to us to stand in belief to it. Willing to die whenever that day comes up.
Willing is what I see as the key that opens that door to eternal life here or there, thanks for the warning

I'm glad to hear that brother.
The VA hospital in Clarksburg WV had employees, one who was caught committing mass murder over a long period.

When Dad was admitted, the nurse handed him a bloody gown. The executive administrator tried to cover it up and told me that I was not permitted to take the evidence from their hospital. That was the most minor offense. There is an entire book of crimes and malpractice that employees committed there. I have to warm my veteran friends every chance I get. That hospital is more dangerous than any group of terrorists on foreign soil.
I'm glad you are exercising discernment and staying safe.
 
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Gal 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, G5331 hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Rev 9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, G5331 nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Rev 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries G5331 were all nations deceived.

In these three verses, the Greek word that is translated into English as "witchcraft" and "sorceries" is pharmakeia.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g5331/kjv/tr/0-1/

It is from this Greek word that we get our English word pharmacy.

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=pharmacy

pharmacy (n.)

late 14c., farmacie, "a medicine that rids the body of an excess of humors (except blood);" also "treatment with medicine; theory of treatment with medicine," from Old French farmacie "a purgative" (13c.) and directly from Medieval Latin pharmacia, from Greek pharmakeia "a healing or harmful medicine, a healing or poisonous herb; a drug, poisonous potion; magic (potion), dye, raw material for physical or chemical processing."

This is from pharmakeus (fem. pharmakis) "a preparer of drugs, a poisoner, a sorcerer" from pharmakon "a drug, a poison, philter, charm, spell, enchantment." Beekes writes that the original meaning cannot be clearly established, and "The word is clearly Pre-Greek." The ph- was restored 16c. in French, 17c. in English (see ph).

Buck ["Selected Indo-European Synonyms"] notes that "Words for 'poison', apart from an inherited group, are in some cases the same as those for 'drug' ...." In addition to the Greek word he has Latin venenum "poison," earlier "drug, medical potion" (source of Spanish veneno, French venin, English venom), and Old English lybb.

Meaning "the use or administration of drugs" is from c. 1400; the sense of "art or practice of preparing, preserving, and compounding medicines and dispensing them according to prescriptions" is from 1650s; that of "place where drugs are prepared and dispensed" is recorded by 1833.

I would imagine that this has something to do with what you overheard.

Here's a bit of news that I would like everyone's opinion on. Specifically Bayer Pharmaceuticals. Your post reminds me of this entire company.
Mind you, they made their initial humongous fortunes with Baby Aspirin.
I don't recommend Alex for subjects like religion, but he reported on Bayer in the late 1990s.

SATANIC: Bayer’s Modified Soil Microbes Designed To Trigger Agricultural Collapse
by The Alex Jones ShowJanuary 16th, 2024 3:15 PM
The scientific elite are using humans as test subjects for their mad experiments

Alex Jones covers a shocking report as pharma giant Bayer’s modified soil microbes might create a “genetically engineered doomsday” that could ruin humanity’s food supply.

  • Bayer’s modified soil microbes could trigger a genetically engineered doomsday for agriculture
  • If you don’t like the toxic pollution from industrial agriculture’s synthetic nitrogen fertilizers and pesticides, Bayer and its partner Ginkgo Bioworks have a solution
  • They say they’re going to swap out some of the old fossil-fuel-based agrochemicals for genetically engineered microbes
  • The uncontrolled spread of genetically engineered microbes could contaminate soil on such a vast scale that it could be the end of farming!
  • Here's the link to the video report
  • https://www.infowars.com/posts/baye...ld-trigger-a-genetically-engineered-doomsday/