Parable of all the Trees

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Omegatime

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When Jesus spoke of all these things he included the shortening of days!

Mark 13:20

And if the Lord had not shortened the days, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.

Matthew 24:22

And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
 

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When Jesus spoke of all these things he included the shortening of days!

Mark 13:20

And if the Lord had not shortened the days, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.

Matthew 24:22

And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
What do you think he meant by the word "shortened"?


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What do you think he meant by the word "shortened"?


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Exactly what he said--shortening of the days of the tribulation for the saints ( elect ), both jew and gentile, but not for the unrighteous
 

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what season does the fig tree bloom? Fall summer spring? whatever the season considering how things in the world are falling into place with bible prophecy and the last days maybe we should be looking for a certain season for these things to really start
 

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what season does the fig tree bloom? Fall summer spring? whatever the season considering how things in the world are falling into place with bible prophecy and the last days maybe we should be looking for a certain season for these things to really start
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Blain, you asked the best question of all.

He also was telling us the season----SPRING

Passover/Pentecost timetable

Timetable for the second advent
 

Blain

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Blain, you asked the best question of all.

He also was telling us the season----SPRING

Passover/Pentecost timetable

Timetable for the second advent
oh I see well it just turned spring I wonder what we will see concerning this prophecy, is it going to be something with just Israel or the church as well.
 

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Got Questions says this and I agree with it:

There are three popular interpretations of Jesus’ words in Luke 17:21 that the kingdom of God is within you (or among you): 1) the kingdom of God is essentially inward, within man’s heart; 2) the kingdom is within your reach if you make the right choices; and 3) the kingdom of God is in your midst in the person and presence of Jesus. The best of these interpretations, it seems, is the third: Jesus was inaugurating the kingdom as He changed the hearts of men, one at a time.

For the time being, Christ’s kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). One day, however, the kingdom of God will be manifest on the earth (Isaiah 35:1), and Jesus Christ will rule a physical kingdom from David’s throne (Isaiah 9:7) with Jerusalem as His capital (Zechariah 8:3).


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In heaven the greatest will be the servant of all,
so it is more likely Jesus will invite saints to sit on the throne
while He washes their feet.
 

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oh I see well it just turned spring I wonder what we will see concerning this prophecy, is it going to be something with just Israel or the church as well.
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Fig tree----------is Israel
All the trees ----are nations or gentiles

Remember these are events inside the Tribulation
 

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Luke 21 is prophecy of what will happen just prior to the return of Christ. It gives you many signs and events that will take place during this period of time. Jesus is telling us that as we know that summer is near when we see the trees budding, also know that the return of Christ is at hand when you see all the signs coming to pass written in Luke 21:7-32. The planting of the fig tree generation was in 1948 when Israel once again became a self ruling nation. It is that generation, that is now 77 years old, that shall not pass away until all is fulfilled.
 

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Exactly what he said--shortening of the days of the tribulation for the saints ( elect ), both jew and gentile, but not for the unrighteous
All I understand so far is that the great tribulation lasts for 3-1/2 years. So when the Bible says those days will be shortened, does that mean the hours of the days will pass by much faster than normal or will he reduce the number of days? How will he shorten those days???

It's just something I'm wondering about. I know that we'll definitely understand and know what the Bible means about this when we actually go through it.


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So if say this year is the year that all this unfolds what do you think will be the official sign? like what prophecy in particular should we watch for?
 

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All I understand so far is that the great tribulation lasts for 3-1/2 years. So when the Bible says those days will be shortened, does that mean the hours of the days will pass by much faster than normal or will he reduce the number of days? How will he shorten those days???

It's just something I'm wondering about. I know that we'll definitely understand and know what the Bible means about this when we actually go through it.


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We differ on the number of years here. I see a 7 year tribulation divided into two 42 months or 1260 day periods.

The Lord will not allow us to endure the bowl judgements IMO

I say the coming for the saints is at Rev.14:14 when the earth is reaped.

This day at Rev 14 is when the Day of the Lord begins. Timetable for the coming of the saints differ from the time set for the antichrist.

Remember in Daniel 9:27 the antichrist takes his seat in the temple in the middle of the 7 ( years )

The second advent is 75 after the antichrist takes his seat in Temple

1335 days into the Tribulation is the Blessed day---Daniel 12:12--2nd advent
1260 days--when antichrist takes his seat in temple
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So if say this year is the year that all this unfolds what do you think will be the official sign? like what prophecy in particular should we watch for?
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Nation against Nation

Kingdom against Kingdom

Increased earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, wildfires

Hatred of jews will increase even more

unthinkable

Negotiations with nations that can't be solved
 

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Nation against Nation

Kingdom against Kingdom

Increased earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, wildfires

Hatred of jews will increase even more

unthinkable

Negotiations with nations that can't be solved
yeah we are starting to see that now
 

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once again good job I was hoping you would mention that seems like you have done your research as well and yeah this war in todays events is indeed a part of this prophecy that the ezekeil war that was prophesied to happen

It's definitely something to watch carefully, along with the Russian vs. Ukraine conflict. The war in chapter 38 of Ezekiel says that the war will be led by Gog and Magog, so if Russia joins along with all the Muslim nations listed in the prophecy against Israel, then we may actually witness it come to pass before our very eyes.


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Nation against Nation

Kingdom against Kingdom

Increased earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, wildfires

Hatred of jews will increase even more

unthinkable

Negotiations with nations that can't be solved

I think there are a few more factors to watch for:

1) the great apostasy

2) the revealing of the antichrist

3) the gospel being preached throughout all the world down to the last person


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I think there are a few more factors to watch for:

1) the great apostasy

2) the revealing of the antichrist

3) the gospel being preached throughout all the world down to the last person


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The Great Apostasy, Falling Away

This will begin as soon as the antichrist becomes King of Israel in middle of the 7 year Tribulation.( 1260 days ) Thirty days later sets the abomination (1290 days ) Dan. 12:11

Revealing of the Antichrist.

Most will not be able to identify him. But he will be the one on the white horse in the seals. Once the covenant is made with many nations for protection and security he will step away till the Seal judgments are finish ( about 7 months ). For many nations are at or preparing for war.

Then he will begin his journey in Israel as the Messiah for 2300 days, bringing the jews home and building the temple, but for himself in near future. He will be a military man.

Gospel Preached

2 witnesses
144,000 jews
church saints
 

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luke 21:29 He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

Your input on this parable please
According to the late Derek Prince, and I have the utmost respect for him, the "trees" represent the nations. We live in a time where even tiny ethnic groups are intent on being independent nations. We've seen the break up of Yugoslavia, new nations in Africa and the break up of Czechoslovakia. The Kurd seek their independence, and there have been simmering conflicts in Spain for the same reason.

According to Derek Prince, these are the "sprouting leaves". In the past, the powerful nations dictated borders, often ignoring ethnic issues. This has become less acceptable politically. It does not stop bullies like Mr Putin and Mr Trump trying, but it is no longer considered to be the right of the powerful, hence the outcry over Mr Putin's invasion of Ukraine and the resistance from Greenland and Canada to Mr Trump's rhetoric.
 

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Information about the Antichrist from one of Apostle John's future disciples --about 200 AD.

But as time now presses for the consideration of the question immediately in hand, and as what has been already said in the introduction with regard to the glory of God, may suffice, it is proper that we take the Holy Scriptures themselves in hand, and find out from them what, and of what manner, the coming of Antichrist is; on what occasion and at what time that implores one shall be revealed; and whence and from what I tribe (he shall come); and what his name is, which is indicated by the number in the Scripture; and how he shall work error among the people, gathering them from the ends of the earth; and (how) he shall stir up tribulation and persecution against the saints; and how he shall glorify himself as God; and what his end shall be; and how the sudden appearing of the Lord shall be revealed from heaven; and what the conflagration of the whole world shall be; and what the glorious and heavenly kingdom of the saints is to be, when they reign together with Christ; and what the punishment of the wicked by fire.

Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king,John 18:37 so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; John 1:29 so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf.

The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, John 2:19 and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem. And his seductive arts we shall exhibit in what follows.

That it is in reality out of the tribe of Dan, then, that that tyrant and king, that dread judge, that son of the devil, is destined to spring and arise, the prophet testifies when he says, Dan shall judge his people, as (he is) also one tribe in Israel. Genesis 49:16 But some one may say that this refers to Samson, who sprang from the tribe of Dan, and judged the people twenty years. Well, the prophecy had its partial fulfilment in Samson, but its complete fulfilment is reserved for Antichrist. For Jeremiah also speaks to this effect: From Dan we are to hear the sound of the swiftness of his horses: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing, of the driving of his horses. Jeremiah 8:16 And another prophet says: He shall gather together all his strength, from the east even to the west. They whom he calls, and they whom he calls not, shall go with him. He shall make the sea white with the sails of his ships, and the plain black with the shields of his armaments. And whosoever shall oppose him in war shall fall by the sword. That these things, then, are said of no one else but that tyrant, and shameless one, and adversary of God, we shall show in what follows.

Then he says: A fourth beast, dreadful and terrible; it had iron teeth and claws of brass. And who are these but the Romans? Which (kingdom) is meant by the iron — the kingdom which is now established; for the legs of that (image) were of iron. And after this, what remains, beloved, but the toes of the feet of the image, in which part is iron and part clay, mixed together? And mystically by the toes of the feet he meant the kings who are to arise from among them; as Daniel also says (in the words), I considered the beast, and lo there were ten horns behind it, among which shall rise another (horn), an offshoot, and shall pluck up by the roots the three (that were) before it. And under this was signified none other than Antichrist, who is also himself to raise the kingdom of the Jews. He says that three horns are plucked up by the root by him, viz., the three kings of Egypt, and Libya, and Ethiopia, whom he cuts off in the array of battle. And he, after gaining terrible power over all, being nevertheless a tyrant, shall stir up tribulation and persecution against men, exalting himself against them. For Daniel says: I considered the horn, and behold that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them, till the beast was slain and perished, and its body was given to the burning of fire.

For as two advents of our Lord and Saviour are indicated in the Scriptures, the one being His first advent in the flesh, which took place without honour by reason of His being set at nought, as Isaiah spoke of Him aforetime, saying, We saw Him, and He had no form nor comeliness, but His form was despised (and) rejected (lit. = deficient) above all men; a man smitten and familiar with bearing infirmity, (for His face was turned away); He was despised, and esteemed not. Isaiah 53:2-5 But His second advent is announced as glorious, when He shall come from heaven with the host of angels, and the glory of His Father, as the prophet says, You shall see the King in glory; Isaiah 33:17 and, I saw one like the Son of man coming with the clouds of heaven; and he came to the Ancient of days, and he was brought to Him. And there were given Him dominion, and honour, and glory, and the kingdom; all tribes and languages shall serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away
 

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I can say with certainty, this was not a reference to anything which occurred in 1948, how would his followers "see those things happening" 2000 years later.
sadly, we are going to be hearing about this until 2068. at first they invented the idea that the fig tree represents israel in matthew 24 and the reborn of it means its the final generation, so the end was supposed to happen 1988, the biblical generation which is 40 years. nothing happens again so they just keep moving the goal posts.