The double-standards of the preterist and why I left that system

None of these things took place. I am willing to look at it in all sorts of ways and I have no horse in this race, if it already happened, no skin off my bone, but I can see that it didn't so why should I just blindly believe it based on really sloppy evidence? "This generation shall not pass" is really weak evidence. When one could easily just read it as saying: The generation that sees all these things occuring will not pass, the final generation.

Why didn't Jesus return after the abomination of desolation as the Bible teaches? Why weren't the jews saved when Jesus "returned" in AD70? Why is Jerusalem still trodden under foot by gentiles? Why is the temple mount the place of a mosque? Why aren't we in the new earth yet?

What does "spiritualizing" mean, is God less real because he is Spirit.

Christ Jesus clearly stated "this generation" the people to whom he was speaking.

Revelation is filled with words and phrases of immediacy.... "shortly" etc.,

I will just stay with one body of Christ and the words in scripture.
There is no point debating. I left futurism and not going to deny God's words.

So, you, by your own authority (since you did not give credit to anyone else for that belief) deny that the Lord has a right to put on hold what He had before declared with eminency? What is your scriptural authority for that? By what authority can you say that the Lord would NOT have brought the tribulation immediately upon Israel upon her acceptance of Messiah, and then the Kingdom?

We all know WHAT you believe. The question is, why? That is what we continue to avoid explaining for our understanding.

MM

If you have a question, then I welcome such, but that reads more like a narrative statement than a question to me...notice your punctuation...

MM

Why would Jesus talk about the abomination of desolation as a future event if it was fulfilled before His birth? How could anyone in the future see the abomination of desolation take place?

Why would Jesus talk about the abomination of desolation as a future event if it was fulfilled before His birth?

How could anyone in the future see the abomination of desolation take place?

The Matthew and Mark verses you are referring to are not predicting a future event; rather, they are using a past event as a reference (that the Jews understood very well) to help the Jews immediately identify a future occurrence. The parenthetical statement is the key to understanding what is really being said.

All three of these verses are saying the exact same thing:

Matthew 24:15
Mark 13:14 (first part, up to and including the parenthetical statement)
Luke 21:20


There is no need for anyone in the future to see an 'abomination of desolation' that will not take place.

Because, there is no actual future prediction of such an event. There is only a reference to a past event.

In Christ Jesus all has been fulfilled. There are only one people those in Him.

It is not replacement, it is the age and we have a new age, the old is done away.

Christ is King!! He rules in the here and now through His people

Amen and Amen

How would you explain these verses?

“For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
… For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”

Romans 11:25-29 NKJV

Just so I understand your view before I answer, do you think the Israel in this verse is the modern day state of Israel?

Not to mention even if it's just talking about Jerusalem being surrounded (similar circumstances to the AOD with Antiochus) it still would not have been fulfilled in AD70 because of all the rest of Matthew 24, all of this has to happen in a short period of time, not thousands of years, but within a decade.

The preterist tends to laugh at ideas of a rebuilt temple, they know better, it all happened in AD70, the abomination of desolation, all of it........... or did it actually?

If you read the gospels you will find out that the abomination of desolation is connected to the worst tribulation period in the history of the world:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be

This same fact is spelled out in Daniel 12:1, and just like in Daniel 12; in Matthew 24 what comes immediately after this tribulation that the abomination of desolation sets in motion is the return of Christ and the resurrection:


Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is where the preterist double standard comes in. They will read verse 34 which says THIS GENERATION shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled, and they keep telling us this all happened. When you press them on the issue, many will either admit ok Jesus didnt return and gather the elect or will continue in the false doctrine of preterism and claim that Jesus did return, but not bodily. It is sloppy at best, but thats two returns, the same doctrine for which they critique pre-tribbers of!

The preterist plight gets worse, when you look at Revelation 12:6 and the woman (Israel) fleeing to the wilderness, which is clearly the same escape mentioned in the olivet discourse, this flight lasts 1260 days, the two witnesses prophecy 1260 days, the beast rules for 42 months. If the preterist believes all this took place in AD70, where is Jesus at? Why hasn't He returned yet? Oh you mean there would be a timegap between the 1260 days and His return? A timegap of over 2000 years now you say? Hold on, isn't that something preterists accuse premillennialists of all the time? That we are adding a gap to the 70 weeks of Daniel when no gap allegedly exists in the text?

Once I saw all these glaring faults in the preterist system I have since abandoned it in favour of a simple, yet biblical method of reading the book. Once you read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 of a man of sin sitting in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be god, you can believe there will be a man who will sit in a temple in Jerusalem doing that, you can know by comparing it to Matthew, Revelation, Daniel, Mark. You line all the verses together and they match perfectly.

In conclusion, if you read this far: Congratulations. I have too much free time But I wanted to type this out, who knows, this convinced me to leave preterism, maybe someone else will be inclined to leave as well.

all of this has to happen in a short period of time

it still would not have been fulfilled in AD70

Ah I see. I guess you could view it that way, but other verses indicate a temple standing at the end times:

Revelation 11:1-2
2 Thessalonians 2:4

I believe Revelation 11:1-2 is referring to the then-existing temple at the time John experienced the instruction given in these verses.

I believe 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is a bit more complex; however, it cannot possibly be referring to a physical building in today's time frame.

I believe Revelation 11:1-2 is referring to the then-existing temple at the time John experienced the instruction given in these verses.

I believe 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is a bit more complex; however, it cannot possibly be referring to a physical building in today's time frame.