Did God plan for man to fall to prove something to Satan and his angels?

The unanswered question. And, the question never asked?

Was it good for God's plan for man to fall?

What was going on with God providing the Cross before man was created? (Revelation 13:8)

God created man knowing full well that man would fall.
And, His plan has been to glorify His name before all!

So, I ask.

Did God plan for man to fall?
Was it to prove something to Satan and his angels?



grace and peace............

Knowing something will happen is not the same as planning for it to happen. Decades ago, I bought a bike for my young son so he could learn to ride. I watched him take off and warned him that he would fall off if he did not slow down. He ignored me and duly fell off. Obviously I did not buy the bike for him to fall off and I did not make him fall off, although I saw it coming.

God's intent was for the created being, Satan, to be defeated by the created being Adam. Satan turned the tables on Adam. God did not make this happen. If God had not warned Adam and Eve of the consequences of disobedience, then we could conclude that God was underhanded with Adam. As it happened, God could not lose. If Adam had exerted his God-given authority over Satan, God wins. Adam failed, so Satan thinks he's won again. God sends Jesus to be the "last Adam" and Lord Jesus defeats Satan completely.

This is the ultimate example of God being able to make all things work out for His glory and man's good if they love Him. For sure God's glory, love, forgiveness and power is revealed to a degree not possible if man had not sinned. But it's a stretch to say that God planned this.

in a way yes because he created man and all things and what better way to prove his perfect love than to have a reason to show that love? satan and his angels took it for granted they knew God before all this began from the beginning yet look what happened they considered themselves perfect and even wanted to be as God but creating an inperfect lesser creation doomed to fail because of it but would be all the more grateful for love and mercy that was the lesson he was showing satan and his angels

Yep. The Kingdom/Angelic conflict. We are a created being that fell to Glorify God. We can and do prove to the fallen angels that God is fair and just and FULL of Grace and mercy.

This is a unique question I will say.

Was the fall of humanity God's plan?

God tells there is no other savior but him.

God tells us Jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

It does appear so.

In order for God to be known as he is...The All mighty..... the fall wasn't planned but expected.

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time.

Intriguing question.

I don't think God did it to prove anything to the angels that fell and cannot be forgiven.

I talked about this with my Brother and I asked him, "what is different from the fall of Satan and his angels and the fall of Adam and Eve?," him not certain of the answer, I said, "contrition, or guilt which led to contrition. Adam and Eve were ashamed and hid from God because of their nakedness. In stark contrast, Satan and his angels led a war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9). Satan and his angels have no capacity, no desire for repentance, they are resolved in their rebellion against God, while Adam and Eve were not, they are sorry albeit blame shifting when God found them."
To me that is quintessential marker of difference in the rebellions, Satan and his angels felt no shame, waged war against God, and still wage war in spirit realm to this day. While humans feel guilt, which can mature to contrition and repentance, and then faith in Jesus to forgive those sins.

you would think since they knew God from the beginning they would have some kind of remorse but they don't and even hate him and all who he loves to hate God's character would mean they saw some kind of flaw in him which there are none more than that he is all powerful the arrogance and even blindness to think you could usurp him at all is amazing

At least with humans we are meek and weak even to angels but that weakness ends up being our strength and leaves us room to grow. to love one who you did not know from the beginning but who knew you requires a level of blindness because your not even able to percieve him yet you love him while satan can percieve him yet hates him. Fascinating.

I have witnessed Misotheism (hatred of God) and seen how a person can be so transformed by hatred of God that they will like Satan and the fallen angels wage war against Him. There is a path to it for humans, but its the fallen angels that seem totally caught up in it, oppose to us humans that can decide to repent and ask God for forgiveness. Its interesting topic to explore, the Hardening of One's Heart towards the Lord I see happening in people, and perhaps these kind of discussions can lend some insight in how to address it.

I want to be clear I am not talking about Atheists, who believe in no God or gods. Misothiests know there is a God and hate him. So when someone says they are an Atheist and make war upon the Gospel and the saints, I say they are really a Misothiest or "Antitheist" as said in The God's Not Dead original movie.

How could we ever know...good from evil....hatred from love...blessed from damned....grace and forgiveness from guilty and condemned if the world remained very good in the Lord's sight?
This is not to say that what our first parents had done should be counted as a good thing no not at all.
But the ways of the Lord are far above us. Who can know them.

For what reason would the fall of man work for the benefit of God, in making his enemies into His footstool?

Perhaps this creation is the design of 'the seed' of the new creation.

If man never fell?

Could God still send Satan and his angels to the Lake of Fire, and have all the elect angels be at peace with His decision?

The moment satan and his angels rebelled they were destined for the lake so it isn't a matter of could he but when would he. the fall of man and the seed war between God and satan was a battle and still is over us we are part of a war that involves satan and God and the fall of man knowing good from evil is a huge part of it but also more than that salvation is a part of it.

We are the tools to teach satan a lesson he won't soon forget

What did Satan do that caused his fall?
Did he punch the Lord?

It was only a thought.


How was God to show all angels what the "thought" of Lucifer meant in concrete terms?
Did they have any understanding of what assassination is?

For that was what Satan desired.

How does God show them why Satan is so severely condemned?
They would be perplexed and confused about God destroying the once beloved angel, Lucifer.

The answer?

The fall of man.

For fallen man would manifest outwardly what Satan only was able to think inwardly...
And, without realizing fully what his desire was indicating in regard to murdering the Most High and taking His place!

The Fall of Man is God's plan to ending doubt and confusion that would have plagued his angels for eternity.
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Yeah. Apathy, not hate, is the opposite of love. Hate gives validity to the target via an investiture of emotional resources. With apathy, a person cannot be bothered to care.

Disobedience and unbelief, in the Greek, are rooted in apathy.

To the question: was it God's plan for man to fall, the answer is "no".
The reason the answer is no requires wisdom and understanding. Perhaps I will get to it later.

God only planned for those who are not of the elect to ultimately fall.

By virtue of there being those God elects unto his Salvation,we may infer the fall was predestined. Because ,as with the lamb slain before the foundation of the world, the Lambs Book of Life that contains the names of the saved,those elected to Salvation , was also written then too. Before the foundation of the world.