What is a "worship service?"

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Cameron143

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Here we go round the mulberry bush. :rolleyes:
Your argument was that the phrase...brothers and sisters...was sufficient for the verse to be speaking of corporate worship. A simple search and look for the phrase...brothers and sisters...would readily discover this to be false.
 

lrs68

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I was thinking about when we turned the farm into a corporate setting by law it meant one person must be connected to create a corporate setting.

In this discussion it seems some think corporate means multiple. But if corporate can mean one person then King David was the perfect example of corporate worship.
 
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Your argument was that the phrase...brothers and sisters...was sufficient for the verse to be speaking of corporate worship. A simple search and look for the phrase...brothers and sisters...would readily discover this to be false.
Rom. 12:1: brothers and sisters (NIV), brothers (ESV), brethren (NKJV), etc.
Take your pick, because the plural indicates corporate no matter how you phrase it.
 

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So you're against people singing together songs to the Lord? Or against singers on stage singing? Or the style of singing? All of the above? God certainly moves through music.
Perhaps what I'm saying is that it's not about the sound as it is the Heart, which is what He looks upon.

Do you have a verse for that where it says the Lord moves through music? I realize the Lord can use anything He so chooses, but to say that He moves through music, is this an example of such that I wrote and performed some years ago:

https://soundcloud.com/fourwindsangels%2Fassaulting-the-gates-of-hell
MM
 

Cameron143

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Rom. 12:1: brothers and sisters (NIV), brothers (ESV), brethren (NKJV), etc.
Take your pick, because the plural indicates corporate no matter how you phrase it.
The plural only tells you there is more than 1 brother and sister. The "therefore" in Romans 12:1 is referring back to Romans 11 where the Apostle is telling his audience how God dealt harshly with the Jews in order that Gentiles might be grafted in. So in light of this, that God dealt severely with the natural branch, He would also deal harshly with the engrafted branch. Hence, the exhortation to serve God well.
The verses you cite have nothing to do with worship. They are dealing with manner of living.
 
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From my perspective, the One who defined true worship that is acceptable before the Father said we shall worship in "spirit and in truth." That's more than enough for me. I don't need to do what was done by my ancient ancestors (the Jews) or any other religion in order to offer up what is that which the Father seeks. Those two words describe to me a way of life, and in those moments what the way of life in spirit and in truth bring me to my knees before the Lord in my prayer closet in secret, then it shall ever be between the Lord and myself, not some freak show of religious ritual and mood music garbage. Just my thoughts on the matter.

MM
Those who prostrate to the Father must prostrate in spirit and in truth.
 
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Perhaps what I'm saying is that it's not about the sound as it is the Heart, which is what He looks upon.

Do you have a verse for that where it says the Lord moves through music? I realize the Lord can use anything He so chooses, but to say that He moves through music, is this an example of such that I wrote and performed some years ago:

https://soundcloud.com/fourwindsangels%2Fassaulting-the-gates-of-hell
MM

I think this is one of the deepest songs ever written about our attitude when it comes to worship and music. Eph. says "speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord" also "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." Various verses talk about singing praises unto the Lord, actually tells us to sing, that would indicate to me that God moves through music. Music like yours. I do hope you share it. It is quite excellent and uplifting.





1. When the music fades
All is stripped away,
and I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless Your heart

Bridge:
I'll bring You more than a song, for a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

Chorus:
I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You, all about You, Jesus
I'm sorry, Lord, for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You, all about You, Jesus

2. King of endless worth
No one could express how much You deserve
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is Yours, ev'ry single breath
 

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In Eastern and Western Christianity, the fierce power and iron fist of tradition, coupled with the taught purpose for the gathering of believers, rather than it rightfully being for mutual edification and building up of each other in the faith through zteaching from mature believers collectively teaching the new babes in the faith, it has become programmatic, liturgical, structured, all fueling the fire of the god of perceived "order."

Let's dig down into the Greek of all this, shall we?


Thoughts?

MM
I agree with the Dr Wadsworth. I would not have drawn from the doctor the idea that "teaching from mature believers collectively teaching the new babes in the faith" was the methodology of the early church gatherings. I had the impression there was a lot of dialogue among Christians through which everyone learned from listening to one another.
 
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#53
The plural only tells you there is more than 1 brother and sister. The "therefore" in Romans 12:1 is referring back to Romans 11 where the Apostle is telling his audience how God dealt harshly with the Jews in order that Gentiles might be grafted in. So in light of this, that God dealt severely with the natural branch, He would also deal harshly with the engrafted branch. Hence, the exhortation to serve God well.
The verses you cite have nothing to do with worship. They are dealing with manner of living.
As does corporate.
Right manner of living IS true worship.
Why are you so prone toward divorce?
 
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I am not going to describe details but basically I believe Worshipping God is a beautiful moment that should happen inside and outside of the Church setting.

Alone, worship can be thankful for all God does and is doing and if nothing has happened in awhile being thankful because God has saved your soul from eternal damnation.

In a Church setting surrounded by those offering up worship to God is a very beautiful moment. The presence of God is moving throughout the atmosphere and you can truly feel as though you touched God for yourself.
Pondering to say this after you said
(Quote)
In a Church setting surrounded by those offering up worship to God is a very beautiful moment. The presence of God is moving throughout the atmosphere and you can truly feel as though you touched God for yourself (end Quote)


The below can sound harsh and is harsh to the flesh nature
seeing truth verses emotion(s)


Evil uses emotions

God tells truth

What? anyone might say

John 10:10a the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy, who is the thief? Or what might be the thief?
Answer is devil right, Satan right?


Well if I can get you in your emotions moving I can tell you things and deceive you right?

Watch out for the Leaven of People please and see truth over emotions
If my emotions are leading me then I am headed for a wreck, What?????????
Go to a scary movie and see a scary scene, can you stop emotions from reacting to the scene
Hoping you get this anyone and everyone reading this truth here, ask God from within you and you might here, me asking God to reveal this to you to be able to, live above earth circumstances


God leads, emotions are to not lead they are to follow truth God , yet, emotions lead in the flesh nature, not in God's Spirit and Truth thank you
 

lrs68

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Pondering to say this after you said
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In a Church setting surrounded by those offering up worship to God is a very beautiful moment. The presence of God is moving throughout the atmosphere and you can truly feel as though you touched God for yourself (end Quote)


The below can sound harsh and is harsh to the flesh nature
seeing truth verses emotion(s)


Evil uses emotions

God tells truth

What? anyone might say

John 10:10a the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy, who is the thief? Or what might be the thief?
Answer is devil right, Satan right?


Well if I can get you in your emotions moving I can tell you things and deceive you right?

Watch out for the Leaven of People please and see truth over emotions
If my emotions are leading me then I am headed for a wreck, What?????????
Go to a scary movie and see a scary scene, can you stop emotions from reacting to the scene
Hoping you get this anyone and everyone reading this truth here, ask God from within you and you might here, me asking God to reveal this to you to be able to, live above earth circumstances


God leads, emotions are to not lead they are to follow truth God , yet, emotions lead in the flesh nature, not in God's Spirit and Truth thank you
True worship comes from the heart and not the mind. If you worship from the mind you are controlling the effort being made and that is not genuine. But if you worship from your heart you are giving God the truest praise you can possibly offer. The heart will offer emotional praise. That is why King David ran, jumped, danced, wrote Psalms because he worshipped the correct way and God said he was a man after God's own heart and chose to come from his lineage.

I worship from the heart. Those who worship from the mind might as well be a robot and God isn't going to accept a form of worship that is controlled and not real and genuine.
 

lrs68

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Added to post #55

Look at how Jesus made fun of the Pharisee Sadducees Scribe worship.
They worshipped from their minds and said repetitive things over and over and God simply didn't accept it because it comes from the mind, it's a memory type of prayer, there's no heartfelt true emotion to the prayer just a mind mental exercise.
 
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True worship comes from the heart and not the mind. If you worship from the mind you are controlling the effort being made and that is not genuine. But if you worship from your heart you are giving God the truest praise you can possibly offer. The heart will offer emotional praise. That is why King David ran, jumped, danced, wrote Psalms because he worshipped the correct way and God said he was a man after God's own heart and chose to come from his lineage.

I worship from the heart. Those who worship from the mind might as well be a robot and God isn't going to accept a form of worship that is controlled and not real and genuine.
Thank you, brother in risen Son, wow, God responded to me through you in what is said here, I needed that woe is me
 
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True worship comes from the heart and not the mind. If you worship from the mind you are controlling the effort being made and that is not genuine. But if you worship from your heart you are giving God the truest praise you can possibly offer. The heart will offer emotional praise. That is why King David ran, jumped, danced, wrote Psalms because he worshipped the correct way and God said he was a man after God's own heart and chose to come from his lineage.

I worship from the heart. Those who worship from the mind might as well be a robot and God isn't going to accept a form of worship that is controlled and not real and genuine.
worshipping of the mind is self in the way
Worshipping of the new heart given thee is of God for real, thank you Ez. 36:26