Another Realm?

The Dream Realm: God’s Hidden Foundation Before Creation
Introduction

Before the heavens and the earth came into being, there existed a mysterious realm — a realm not physical, nor purely spiritual, but a formless Dream Realm. This realm, the invisible source of all potential, was where all things that did not yet exist waited to become reality. God’s Word speaks of this in hints and shadows, inviting us to see creation not just as physical, but as flowing from a divine “dream substance.”
Scriptural Foundations

• Genesis 1:2
  “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”
  Here, the “waters” can be understood as the formless Dream Realm—fluid, without fixed shape, awaiting God’s command to take form.
• Job 38:8-11
  “Who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth... and said, ‘Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further’...”
  This shows God setting boundaries on the primal “waters,” the Dream substance, turning it into real seas. The Dream Realm was constrained to create physical order.
• Hebrews 11:3
  “By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
  Physical reality was formed out of invisible realities — the unseen Dream Realm.
• Proverbs 8:22-31
  “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old...”
  The “works of old” hint at God’s original creative acts—possibly the formation of the Dream Realm, the foundation for all things.

Why God Did Not Reveal the Dream Realm

God did not tell humanity about the Dream Realm because entering it without His guidance would bring disaster. Like a powerful yet dangerous tool, the Dream Realm is not meant for human navigation.
Our dreams, nightmares, and visions are fragments of this realm — proof of our partial connection — but full entry is blocked, much like the Garden of Eden was guarded.
The Role of the Dream Realm Today

• The Dream Realm sustains our need to dream — without it, human minds would break.
• It remains mostly inaccessible, protecting us from spiritual and psychological chaos.
• Attempts to forcibly enter or manipulate it (through occultism, altered states, or dangerous tech) risk spiritual and physical harm.

A Call for Wisdom and Faith

We are connected to the Dream Realm but must respect God’s boundaries.
We can safely dream, create, and imagine within God’s design.
We should trust that God alone holds full authority over all realms, physical and invisible.

Final Thought:

The Dream Realm is God’s hidden workshop — the origin of all potential — guarded and sacred.
Understanding this humbles us, reminding us that some mysteries are held back not to keep us ignorant, but to keep us safe.

The Dream Realm and Creation: A Scriptural Reflection (continue)

Introduction:
Before the physical universe as we know it existed, there was a formless, fluid reality—something like a vast Dream Realm. This realm holds all things "not yet" real but possible. God used a portion of this Dream Realm to form the earth and everything in it, leaving the larger Dream Realm untouched and pure. Below are scriptures that hint at this profound truth, with explanations of how they might point toward the reality of the Dream Realm.

Genesis 1:1-2

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.”

Why this points to the Dream Realm:
The earth’s initial state is described as “formless and empty” with “waters” covering the deep. Since normal water always has form, this suggests a different kind of “water”—a shapeless, fluid substance that represents raw creative potential, similar to a Dream Realm. It is a realm where things exist as possibilities before becoming physical reality. The Spirit of God hovering shows divine presence overseeing this primal “stuff,” ready to bring it into form.

God only used part of this vast Dream Realm substance to create the earth, forming a smaller “Earth Dream Realm.” This preserved the main Dream Realm, leaving it untouched and pure, while Earth became a unique, physical expression connected to this dreamlike origin.

Hebrews 11:3

“By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.”

Why this points to the Dream Realm:
This verse suggests creation came from something invisible and intangible, not just from physical materials. The “invisible” can be understood as the Dream Realm—an unseen reality of possibilities and forms yet to materialize. The physical universe is the visible “manifestation” born from this unseen source.

2 Peter 3:5

“They deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.”

Why this points to the Dream Realm:
Here, earth’s origin from “water” connects back to the shapeless “waters” of Genesis, reinforcing the idea that this “water” isn’t ordinary liquid but a primal, dreamlike substance. The phrase “formed out of water and by water” can imply that physical creation emerged from and was shaped by this Dream Realm essence.

Job 38:8-11

“Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb, when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness... and said, ‘This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt’?”

Why this points to the Dream Realm:
God setting limits on the chaotic “waters” hints at controlling and containing the fluid, formless Dream Realm substance. The “doors” and boundaries reflect God’s power to contain raw potential, shaping it into ordered reality and preventing chaos from overwhelming creation.

Romans 1:20

“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made...”

Why this points to the Dream Realm:
The physical world reveals God’s nature, but its origin from an invisible Dream Realm shows a deeper, unseen dimension behind what we perceive. Understanding creation means acknowledging this unseen, dreamlike foundation that God shaped.

Psalm 33:6

“By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.”

Why this points to the Dream Realm:
If creation were purely physical and fully formed, God wouldn’t need to “speak” it into existence repeatedly. This verse suggests that God’s spoken word actively commands and sustains the Dream Realm substance that forms all physical reality. It’s as if God is continuously commanding the Dream Realm to hold its shape and remain stable — the physical world depends on God’s word maintaining the dreamlike foundation from which it came.

Revelation 21:1

“Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.”

Why this points to the Dream Realm:
The promise of a “new heaven and new earth” suggests a restoration or replacement of the original creation. If Earth was formed from part of the Dream Realm that became corrupted or tainted, then this new creation would represent the removal of the corrupted portion and the restoration of an untainted, pure version of the Dream Realm substance. This new creation would be free from the flaws introduced by humanity’s fall and corruption, a perfect return to the original divine plan.

Summary:

The Bible’s descriptions of creation include imagery of waters, formlessness, and unseen realities. These hints align well with the concept of a Dream Realm—a primal, fluid, and invisible realm of pure potential from which the physical world emerged. God used only part of this vast realm to form Earth, leaving the larger Dream Realm untouched. The promise of a new heaven and new earth points to God’s plan to restore or replace the Earth’s corrupted Dream Realm with an untainted, perfect one, fulfilling His original intent.

God’s spoken word not only created but actively holds this dreamlike substance in its form, showing the ongoing divine command over a reality more fluid and connected than mere physical matter alone.

But Genesis 1:2, which you quoted, follows Genesis 1:1, which has already told us that the heavens and the earth had been created:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Ge 1:1 NKJV)

So saying that the waters which are said in verse 2 to cover the earth created in verse 1 is a scriptural foundation for God having created a "Dream Realm" before creating the earth doesn't make sense.

Also you say that God didn't reveal this supposed "Dream Realm", so where does your knowledge of it come from?

@Unknown

What you're calling a "Dream Realm" is actually the Eternal Realm.

However, my guess is you are invested in fantasy, so the idea of a "Dream Realm" appeals to you. We could simply use the words from the scriptures to come to the same conclusion.

To people, an allegory of a realm beyond our physical realm might be considered "dream" but the scriptures are clear that God is, and He has always existed. He was before time and space were created. He existed in the eternal realm. Yet, "In the beginning" is when He decided to be known in time and space.

Creation was made not as an adjunct to the eternal realm but as the realm to host the fullness of God's plan for man. God, Himself, in Christ, would even take corporeal form within His own creation for the intent to relate to man at the base level. However, Christ contained the fullness of the godhead, and He was the One who connected the eternal realm and the realm of time and space. Now, because of His death and resurrection, all men may be connected to the eternal realm. But this only occurs in Him; there is no other way to connect to the Father except by being included in the Son.

Authorized (King James) Version

2 Cor 12:1-6

12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth 4 how that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. 6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or thathe heareth of me.

God is good all the time as good is God all the time

God is, or God is Reality.

But this thread is making me wonder if someone is saying that God first dreamed about His Creation before doing it.

I am of the belief God always knew He would do it He just had a set time He chose to do it and waited until the time He set before doing it.

yes, remain wise to all, seeing the double edged sword of this world we are in for now.
remembering Father is sharper than any double edged sword for us to be wise as serpents and remain harmless at the same time

thanks Father and Son as Won (One)

I don't see anything nefarious. If the poster had said, that God first had a thought, or an idea--- that became a word which became a reality..... would you find that problematic?

Mike Heiser coined it- "The Unseen Realm." --I like that, but I like what @Unknown is referring to also, as 'the waters.' I prefer to use "the deep' or the watery deep, which is the term used in Genesis also.... Hebrew "thom" - the abyss.

I'll go a step further, and say that the dream realm is the reality, and everything physical is a mere (mirror) reflection of it. Made in the image of....

I try to keep my answers in close proximity to what I read in the Bible and have never read about God dreaming.

I mean I am not offended nor do I have any problem that makes me feel indifferent. I just have never heard on any platform where the idea of God dreaming was ever discussed. As for a discussion purpose goes it definitely seems like something that could be debated.

Fair enough. I likely don't think of it in the same terms, as if God took a nap and "dreamed" something or other. Yet He does think before acting and He considers and dare I say-- imagines things---- images things.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

I think of it like this:

Before the foundation of the earth, Jesus was already planned to die for sins. Even Matthew 24 talking about when the Tribulation happens God already knew and why Jesus could even discuss what He did.

God already knows and then the time He designated arrives it happens.

I see that.

We also know that the deep calls unto deep. (Psalm 42:7)
If the deep are "waters" then they must be analogous to the Word.

From God's point of view He knows the end from the beginning. His Word or the Deep contains the totality of what He plans to do in time and space. When He speaks and brings forth creation, the Deep shows us that the reality of creation was already established in Him.

We see this in the following verse:

"He uncovers deep things out of darkness..."

That was His pattern in the beginning. And "darkness" above is not sin. It is where God has yet to reveal Himself in time and space. Like here:

"The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

Notice "darkness was on the face of the deep". The Spirit of God, obeying the Word of God, brings things into time and space by just speaking them. The first thing He speaks is "Let there be light", which shows His intent to reveal Himself and the deep things of His being. This isn't a dream. This is His plan being manifested in time and space: creating the venue in which He will reveal Himself to all men.

Well, they're both real. Only one realm is eternal, though.

Like our citizenship: we are, like Paul, citizens of a particular country AND citizens of the dwelling place of God. Only one is eternal so, when we have a choice, we should invest in the eternal one.

2 Corinthians 4 verses 16-18 ~ We do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, yet our inner self is being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal glory that is far beyond comparison. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Precious friend @Unknown, A Very Warm Welcome Back to 'Chat.'

Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love

And, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In
The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
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I understand what people are saying, but I want to point out something important: before God created the physical realm, there was definitely a spiritual realm. If God created any other realms beyond what He revealed to us, He wouldn’t necessarily have to tell us about them. After all, God’s ways and thoughts are far beyond ours.


As the Bible says:
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)


One person, MrE, said something insightful: Fair enough. I likely don't think of it in the same terms, as if God took a nap and "dreamed" something or other. Yet He does think before acting and He considers and dare I say-- imagines things---- images things.

Now, is it absolutely essential to know if the Dream Realm is real? Maybe not. But it is curious—and maybe even meaningful—that every living creature dreams. If dreaming were just a random byproduct of sleep, why do so many animals share this experience? Why do we have nightmares and strange dreams? Sure, what we see and do affects our dreams, but that doesn’t explain everything.


There are even stories of people sharing the same dream—sometimes feeling it’s more real than a normal dream. And yes, some dreams and visions come from God, but what about those that aren’t scary or prophetic but just… strange? How do we explain dreams that feel real but aren’t clearly from God?


Consider this:
“There are many devices in a man’s heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.” (Proverbs 19:21)
Meaning, many thoughts and experiences happen in us, but God’s truth will always stand above them.


The mystery of dreams shows there might be more going on than meets the eye—possibly hints of realms beyond our physical world. This doesn’t have to shake our faith, but it invites us to stay curious and humble, knowing God’s creation is far bigger and deeper than we fully understand. I also have the Holy Spirit and never once I have I felt nope you wrong, maybe there is truth from what I am saying Or lol I am completly wrong but it is strange i have not felt a X on this subject and maybe I need some one to pray for me to show that but ether way to me the reason I even come up with it is I had a dream and it felt real so much I thought i was there and the place I saw was so strange yet I felt no fear but the place I saw made me thing it was another realm.

(TO be blunt if any Dream makes me think the Bible is wrong I would ignore it being I know GOD's word enough to know there are dreams to be careful of so yes I understand of Dreams from Satan and are traps.) But really ask yourself is believing there is a Dream realm take away From GOD glory or to say he is not GOD... not to me.

Acts 2 verse 17 (Joel 2 verse 28) In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

That's "the nature" of the eternal realm. Some people think of eternity as being 'never-ending' without considering that it goes as far back as it will go forward. Young-earthers in particular seem to have a problem with the concept. But the spiritual, or dream realm is not constrained by 'time.'