@Pilgrimshope
Yeah, it seems some have gone this route: not dunked in water = not saved. No speaking in tongues = no Holy Spirit = not saved.
They can get in line with the Version other than King James = not saved group.
I don’t think acknowledging the doctrine of
baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sins is anything other than acknowledging the doctrine God gave to believers for remission of sins .
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then
Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For
the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:37-39 KJV
I think it comes down to either accepting the doctrine that’s there or telling people why it isn’t the right doctrine and they shouldn’t believe it .
why would anyone hear about being baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins which is Gods promise in Christ Jesus , who believes the gospel about him shedding his blood for remission of sins and then reject that part of the doctrine as of that part isn’t true as well ?
the terminoloy in scriptire like this
“For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:5-7, 9-11 KJV
is
based upon being baptized into Christ who died for our sins
“Know ye not, that
so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For
if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:”
Romans 6:3-5 KJV
it’s just like communion Christians read the doctrine like this
“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
1 Corinthians 11:23-30 KJV
abut then we explain why “communion with the body and blood of Christ Doesn’t mean anything it’s just a ritual “ or say things like “ communion doesn’t save anyone “ we’re supposed to learn about these doctrines and believe what they taught that’s the value of it
communion for example should be thought of as it’s taught then we understand it’s value and importance ots the same with baptism
“ For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.””
awe shouldnt then reason why we’re already saved and communion doesn’t apply tonus or why baptism is now irrelevant makes no sense