The Reason Believers Are ABANDONING Churches NOW

You raise an important point about the disillusionment many are experiencing—not just within the LDS Church, but also in broader evangelical circles. It’s true that access to historical documents and unfiltered information via the internet has made it much harder for religious institutions to control narratives or suppress inconvenient facts. In the case of the LDS Church, many members have felt betrayed upon learning about aspects of Joseph Smith’s history or early church practices that were not openly discussed or were even denied by church leaders in the past.

However, I’d caution against assuming that the only possible response to this kind of disillusionment is atheism. While some do take that path, others find new spiritual homes in more transparent or less dogmatic traditions. Some reinterpret their previous faith in more metaphorical or symbolic terms. Others find personal meaning outside institutional religion entirely, but without abandoning a sense of the divine or spiritual.

Regarding evangelicals, I think Baucham and others highlight a real crisis: a loss of depth, doctrinal clarity, or community relevance. But again, not all those leaving are abandoning faith entirely—some are seeking a more authentic or less politicized expression of Christianity. There’s a deep hunger for integrity and truth, and I think that’s what’s driving much of this shift.

In any case, the changes we’re witnessing suggest that people are no longer willing to accept spiritual claims on authority alone. They want honesty, coherence, and something that can stand up to scrutiny. That’s not necessarily a bad thing—it could be the beginning of a more mature and honest spiritual conversation.



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Amen when i found out my former religion was false it did not cause me to become an Atheist.. It was my thirst to find out more about God and the LORD Jesus that lead me to the Truth and knowledge that revealed the lies..

But having said that yes a lot of people when they discover their church is false do end up going through a time of unbelief ( Atheism ) but some of them after a time will seek God again and find Him..

I can understand why people become disillusioned by their church / denomination / Church community / church hierarchy.. Because lets face it,, People are people with all the faultiness that that fact implies..

But i get the gut feeling that many of those people who end up drifting to Atheism because of bad experiences / relationships with church goers never based their Faith on a direct relationship with the lord Jesus..

That's why i will always encourage people who have been raised up in a particular church to get into the Bible and read it for yourself.. Don't live your spiritual life thought other human beings because sadly human beings can and often do let you down.. Seek to stand directly on the ROCK of the LORD Jesus and no amount of failures of other human beings will cause your faith to fail..

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The Reason Believers Are ABANDONING Churches NOW

Because their is mostly fruitless Preaching -----Ministers today mostly are in Ministry by their own calling ---not the calling of God -----

They are in their Natural state ----trying to Preach Spiritual Messages and they can't cause they do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----who is the only one who can give a True Minister --Priest etc the Spiritual Rhema word behind the Logos word ----

Go to the Churches today and Listen to what is being Preached by the Clergy ----any True Christian who knows their Scriptures well can tell if what is being Preached is truth or a lie -----and not many Clergy today are Preaching Truth ----cause they have Not The Truth in Them ---Satan is still their god ----

The Clergy today are preaching some half truths --which is a lie ----but mostly their Preaching is to Please the people not God ----they just Preach the fluffy stuff and Sugarcoat the Scripture --and or twist the Scripture to suit their own agenda ----sending their flocks straight to Hell ----

True Christians are fed up with the False ---Fluffy ----Sugarcoated --Deceiving Preaching that is going on today -----and True Christians are right to abandon the False Prophets and Preaching in their Churches today ---

The mockery of God's word in a lot of Churches today is disgraceful in my view -----very difficult to find a Church that has a true Christian with the indwelling Holy Spirit as its Pastor today ---

Anyone can go to a Seminary School and become A Minister no need to have Jesus as your Lord and Saviour ---

Gretta Vosper is a perfect example ---the United Church in Canada allowed her to remain Preaching in their Church when she came out while Preaching her Sunday Sermon as an atheists -and she said there are many atheists preaching in Churches who were Ordained ---

Satan is alive and well in a lot of Churches today --FOLKS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretta_Vosper

Margaret Ann "Gretta" Vosper (born 1958) is an ordained minister of the United Church of Canada who is a self-professed atheist.

In 2001, she told her congregation that she was a non-theist – although she believed in God as a concept, she no longer believed in God as a supernatural being who intervened in the affairs of humanity.[2] Although she expected to be fired, the United Church instead settled with her. Regular attendance in her congregation declined from 150 to 40, especially after the Lord's Prayer was removed from the liturgy in 2003.[3]

During her "non-theist" phase, Vosper was supported by leaders of the United Church. In 2011, Mardi Tindal, at the time United Church moderator, told a Toronto newspaper, "I celebrate Gretta and others like her who cause us to think more deeply about the nature of our faith. What Gretta has done has ignited a fresh conversation and invigorated the discussion."

I say -----how desperate is that --the united Church Supporting and Celebration Satan in their Church preaching Satan's agenda ----and this is not the only Church doing this -----Folks

I say Run Forest Run --- clear out and abandon any Church that is not Preaching ---Teaching Real Truth --know your Scriptures well and have good Discernment skills ----

Better off to stay home and be reading the real Truth daily and asking the Holy Spirit to guide into getting the Rhema word from the Logos word ------and that will be the Real Spiritual Interpretation of what the Scripture message is saying ---

Abandonment of False and Deceiving Prophets in Churches today is the right Reason for True Christians in my view -----

Know who is Preaching ---Satan or God ----

The reason most people leave churches is because they were never converted. They said a prayer, made a profession perhaps. They were probably told they were saved for having done so. But this is a man-centered salvation that focuses on the actions of individuals, and not the actions of the Almighty.
Salvation occurs not when men engage with God, but when God engages with men.

This is a problem with an open door, all welcome policy. I prefer the way the Brethren does things. They have a meeting for enquirers where the gospel is preached. Then there is a break followed by a meeting of believers. If someone accepts Christ in the first meeting, they are welcomed in the meeting of the church. It's not foolproof, but it's better than the alternative.

In many countries, persecution ensures that only believers meet together. The West does not have that problem as yet.

Another reason people leave is being disillusioned. Church life is little like we see in Acts or 1 Corinthians 14. Some believers are treated unfairly and unjustly. If we got back to God's way of doing church, I believe there would be fewer people coming for wrong reasons.

I feel that what You posted Here is very good. I have been learning, and studying The Bible for about 60 yrs. now. I once took a course to became a Minister; which I completed. However, my wife; who has sense past; said She did not want to be a Pastor wife!
So God a little later gave Me a job in a plant; where I began to use what I learned, talking to people in That plant.
That Job had given Me the opportunity to move all over the plant. That became My Ministry for 25 years.
I gave this story to show how God sometimes has a plan set aside for Oneself!

DeepSeeker

He's just another Calvinist preaching another Jesus

Ezekiel 34
And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.

4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

5 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.

6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord;

8 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord;

10 Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

11 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God.

16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.

18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?

19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.

20 Therefore thus saith the Lord God unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.

21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;

22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

I know this was addressed to Israel, but the principal is the same. Some pastors/church leaders are selfish, covetous, controlling, manipulators (verses 1-16) and some congregants/church members are selfish, controlling bullies (verses 17-21)
Contrary to what some pastors/preachers have traditionally taught, a "sheep" is not portrayed in the word of God as a stupid, slow, totally helpless animal dependent on their "undershepherd". I've even heard men say that a sheep cannot survive on it's own without a shepherd. Total nonsense. A sheep's natural home is in the hills and mountains. Just read it in Ezekiel 34. And where did the shepherd who left the 99 go to find the sheep that was lost? In the hills and mountains.

I was a "sheep" who was controlled and manipulated by an "undershepherd" and bullied by his "cattle" in the church. But I am STILL a a child of God. I found another church where the pastor doesn't tell us stupid stuff like "if you leave, you will lose your family" and "touch not God's anointed"(to keep people in fear lest they oppose him). I read my Bible and found out that ALL of God's children are His "anointed". Other than that, some people leave because they never were sheep to begin with. But who are we to judge?

Ezekiel 34
And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.

4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

5 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.

6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord;

8 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord;

10 Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

11 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God.

16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.

18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?

19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.

20 Therefore thus saith the Lord God unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.

21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;

22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

I know this was addressed to Israel, but the principal is the same. Some pastors/church leaders are selfish, covetous, controlling, manipulators (verses 1-16) and some congregants/church members are selfish, controlling bullies (verses 17-21)
Contrary to what some pastors/preachers have traditionally taught, a "sheep" is not portrayed in the word of God as a stupid, slow, totally helpless animal dependent on their "undershepherd". I've even heard men say that a sheep cannot survive in the wild without a shepherd. Total nonsense. A sheep's natural home is in the hills and mountains. Just read it in Ezekiel 34. And the shepherd who left the 99 searched the hills and mountains because that's where the lost one went.

I was a "sheep" who was controlled and manipulated by an "undershepherd" and bullied by his "cattle" in the church. I took it until I could take no more and I left. But I am STILL a child of God. I found another church where the pastor doesn't tell us stupid stuff like "if you leave, you will lose your family" and misuse "touch not God's anointed"(to keep people in fear lest they oppose him). I read my Bible and found that ALL of God's children are His "anointed". Other than that, some people leave because they never were "sheep" to begin with. But I am not qualified to judge which ones they are.

Ezekiel 34
And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.

4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

5 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.

6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord;

8 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord;

10 Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

11 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God.

16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.

18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?

19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.

20 Therefore thus saith the Lord God unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.

21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;

22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

I know this was addressed to Israel, but the principal is the same. Some pastors/church leaders are selfish, covetous, controlling, manipulators (verses 1-16) and some congregants/church members are selfish, envious, controlling bullies (verses 17-21)
Contrary to what some pastors/preachers have traditionally taught, a "sheep" is not portrayed in the word of God as a stupid, slow, totally helpless animal dependent on their "under--shepherd". I've even heard men say that a sheep cannot survive in the wild without a shepherd. Total nonsense. A sheep's natural home is in the hills and mountains. Just read it in Ezekiel 34. The shepherd who left the 99 even searched the hills and mountains because that's where the lost one went.

I was a "sheep" who was controlled and manipulated by an "under-shepherd" and bullied and betrayed by some members in the church. I took it until I could take no more and I left. But I am STILL a child of God. I found another church where the pastor doesn't tell us stupid stuff like "if you leave, you will lose your family" . Neither does he misuse "touch not God's anointed"(to keep people in fear lest they oppose him). I read my Bible and found that ALL of God's children are His "anointed". Other than that, some people leave because they never were "sheep" to begin with. But I am not qualified to judge which ones they are.

Something about this type of encounter always seems a bit off. The whole "we have to tell everyone that our church/pastor is great, so they will want to go there" has never sat right. It's like writers will teach their students "show, don't tell"; because people can and will judge for themselves whether your church is as miraculous as you say; or if your minister is a "great prophet" like you say.

I've actually brought this up before to some people and they try to explain it away with scripture; and say they are "magnifying the pastor's office". In the context of the scripture, Paul did magnify his own (apostolic) office to cast down heresies at church that he himself had already planted; it wasn't to be a church hype-man. I don't remember reading where Paul boasted about doing miracles or being an amazing prophet; but he did boast about the Lord delivering him from tribulations and the good things the Lord did for him.