Seperation of Church and State

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blueluna5

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SirSolaScriptura said:
I wholeheartedly believe in separation of church and state, the temporal governments and the Kingdom of Heaven:

"Church and State should be independent of each other:—he speaks of the duty of protesting “against the profanation of Christ’s kingdom, by that double usurpation, the interference of the Church in temporals, of the State in spirituals,” p. 191; and, secondly, that the Church may justly and by right retain its property, though separated from the State. “The clergy,” he says, p. 133, “though they ought not to be the hired servants of the Civil Magistrate, may justly retain their revenues; and the State, though it has no right of interference in spiritual concerns." (The Apologia Pro Vita Sua, John Henry Newman, Chapter One, Dove Thrift Editions).
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Highly against separation of church and state. The Bible is about the "kingdom of God" and contains religion. It's not a book about religion. It's its own government.

Now obviously people have screwed it up. Although I will say the united states had the most money and the highest education in the world when we were a Christian nation. Just imagine if we followed the laws set for criminals in the Bible. Instead we just have the innocent suffer. You can't have one without the other.
 
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blueluna5 said:
Highly against separation of church and state. The Bible is about the "kingdom of God" and contains religion. It's not a book about religion. It's its own government.

Now obviously people have screwed it up. Although I will say the united states had the most money and the highest education in the world when we were a Christian nation. Just imagine if we followed the laws set for criminals in the Bible. Instead we just have the innocent suffer. You can't have one without the other.
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But history has shown the pitfalls of church and state such as the Papal States in the Late Middle Ages to Renaissance with the Pope trying to be temporal (worldy) and spiritual ruler, and Byzantium from circa 323 to 1204 & 1443 A.D. that had emperors controlling The Church by appointing bishops and exiling people into nunneries, and being ruler of the state and armies; i.e. corruption from too much power. The Puritans trying to do power plays of state with King Edward and Queen Elizabeth I Tudor’s Empire of Britannia. The Crusader States from 1095-1291 A.D., when Europeans tried to have a Christian Kingdom of State and Church (its armies full of monastic knights like The Templars and Hospitallers) which was bolstered by crusaders coming to their aid via spiritual pilgrimage penitential warefare…

None of these Church State Kingdoms lasted.. and the corruptuon was rampant. The Papacy is merely a figurehead now and not a state power as it was, Byzantium fell to The Muslim Empire of the Ottomans and never was restored. The Puritan experiment failed in England and America, and The Crusader States lasted hardly two hundred years.. hmm America is about to celebrate 250yrs.
 
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