WORD OF GOD

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It's a really simple question . . .

Is the Word in John 1:1 a true god or a false god?

I say that it refers to the true God, because of the context. If we look ahead to John 1:14, we read:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

That verse wouldn't be true of a false god.
DavidLamb:

I'm looking at the part of the context that you quoted, and it leads me straight to the word begotten. I've always wondered why God's inspired Bible used that specific word in light of how the dictionary defines that particular word.

Can you help me out on that?
 

DavidLamb

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#62
Jesus is 'a god'?:

From the wwweb:
"This was the concept of famed Jewish scholar and writer, Philo. In this best-known Jewish concept of the Logos of that time, the Word ("Logos") was "the Son of God" and "with God" and "a god" in his own right, but that he was certainly not God nor equal to the one true God!

The fact that John provided no further explanation of the Word proves that he intended the Logos concept that his readers already knew: "The Word was a god."!"

Why would I believe the "word of famed/scholarly men" when I REALLY should
believe "ALL Of The Holy Word Of God, or perish?":

[ ~~ 500 Plain And Clear Scriptures ]: The LORD Jesus Christ Is God Almighty! (first 13!)
+
ALL Of the rest!:
160 Reasons Jesus IS Almighty God!

Amen.
But John did provide further explanation of the Word:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

Later in John's gospel, Jesus Himself is recorded as saying:

“16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (Joh 3:16-18 NKJV)
 

DavidLamb

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#63
DavidLamb:

I'm looking at the part of the context that you quoted, and it leads me straight to the word begotten. I've always wondered why God's inspired Bible used that specific word in light of how the dictionary defines that particular word.

Can you help me out on that?
It's something that I find difficult to put into words. (I know I should be able to do so, but find it hard). However, I found something on the web that seems to explain why the word "begotten" is used of Jesus Christ. Having stressed that John in the first three verses of his gospel explains that the Word was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God, the author, John Piper, continues:

"Then verse 14 uses sonship language (quite apart from whether you say “only Son” or “only begotten Son”) to describe the relationship between God and the Word. Not only is the Word God; the Word is also Son of God, which means that what is said about the Word applies to the Son, and what was said about the Word was that he was not made.

How, then, does the Son exist as Son — not as Father, but as Son? If we just stay with the language of Son and Father, the answer would be: not made, but begotten. That’s what sons are: sons are begotten; that’s what it means to be the son of a father. But this begetting of the Son clearly is very unique — I mean, it’s really different because this Son, this Word, had no beginning. In the beginning was God. The Word of God was there, and God was there — and the two of them were eternally there. God was the Word. The Word was God. They had no beginning. He was always there with God as God.

The text itself pushes us to the conclusion that the peculiar kind of begetting that we’re talking about is an eternal begetting. There never was a time when the Son did not exist, and yet he is Son and not Father. They’re not reversible ever in the New Testament. And the Christian church is right to argue that it is fitting to speak of this eternally existent Son who is God, and yet who is not the Father. He has been eternally begotten by the Father, not coming into being but eternally begotten."
 

DavidLamb

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#66
Everyone keeps searching but never finding
Not quite sure what you mean, but your words don't seem to agree with what Jesus said about seeking and finding:

““So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.” (Lu 11:9 NKJV)