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2 Corinthians 1:20

“For ALL the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.”

ALL of the promises it says.
It requires rejecting the Holy Scripture that says believers are the heirs of Abraham’s promises, not unbelieving ethnic people.

Galatians 3:29 “And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

The division of God’s Covenant between “land promises” and “spiritual promises” was invented in an Irish basement of a schismatic End Times sect in 1821.
It’s not historic.
It’s not biblical.
ALL promises are tied to faith in the Saviour Christ Jesus

See how that works!
Galatians 3:29 does not say Gentile believers inherit every provision contained in the Abrahamic Covenant. It says that, by union with Messiah, they share in the promise relevant to Paul’s argument in Galatians 3—the gospel blessing of justification by faith and the gift of the Spirit.


He is very explicit on this point.


What “Abraham’s seed” means here​


In Galatians 3, Paul’s controversy is not over national identity, circumcision, territory, or who owns Canaan. It is over this question:


Are people justified before God by Mosaic works, or by faith in Messiah?

Paul answers by appealing to Abraham:


  • Abraham was justified by faith before the Law.
  • Scripture foresaw that God would justify Gentiles by faith.
  • Therefore, believing Gentiles are Abraham’s “sons” or followers in the relevant spiritual sense.
  • In Christ they become fellow-partakers of the blessing promised through Abraham.

Fruchtenbaum says the Gentile Galatians were never told that they had become Jews. They were called children/seed of Abraham because they are justified on the same basis Abraham was: faith rather than works.


So his reading is not:


Gentiles become Israel, therefore receive Israel’s national inheritance.

It is:


Gentiles remain Gentiles, but as believers in Israel’s Messiah they partake in the spiritual blessing mediated through the Jewish covenants.

“Heirs according to promise” — heirs of which promise?​


This is the crucial distinction.


The Abrahamic Covenant includes more than one category of promise:


  1. Personal/national promises: Abraham’s physical line, especially through Isaac and Jacob.
  2. National-territorial promises: Israel as a nation and the defined land inheritance.
  3. Universal spiritual blessing: “In thee shall all families/nations of the earth be blessed.”

Galatians itself tells us which aspect Paul is discussing. In Galatians 3:8 Paul cites:


“In thee shall all nations be blessed.”

That is the Gentile-facing, universal blessing component of the Abrahamic Covenant. Paul ties it directly to justification by faith: “they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham” (Gal. 3:9).


Thus, in Fruchtenbaum’s framework, the “inheritance” of Galatians 3:29 is not a transfer of Jacob’s territorial covenant to Gentiles. It is participation in the salvation blessings that come through Abraham’s Seed—ultimately Messiah.


He writes that Gentile believers are made “partakers in the blessings of the Jewish covenants” by faith, but do not thereby share every facet of those covenants. In particular, he names “inheritance of the Land” and circumcision as provisions not appropriated by believing Gentiles; those remain specifically Jewish/Israeli provisions.


Why Ephesians is important in his explanation​


Fruchtenbaum connects Galatians 3:29 with Ephesians 2:11–13 and 3:6.


Before Messiah’s death, Gentiles were:


  • alienated from the commonwealth of Israel;
  • strangers from the covenants of promise;
  • excluded from their covenantal spiritual benefits unless they entered Mosaic Judaism as proselytes.

But in Messiah, Gentiles are brought near. They are called:


“fellow-heirs, and fellow-members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel”
—Ephesians 3:6

For Fruchtenbaum, that does not mean “co-heirs of every national, material, and land provision made to Israel.” It means fellow-heirs in the gospel blessings now available to Jew and Gentile alike in the one Body of Messiah.


His terminology is memorable: Gentile believers are “partakers of Jewish spiritual blessings,” not “taker-overs” of Jewish covenants. The physical and national provisions—including the Land—remain Israel’s and await fulfillment with Israel.

The distinction in one table​

QuestionFruchtenbaum’s answer
Does a Gentile believer become a Jew?No. A believing Gentile remains a Gentile.
Does a Gentile become Abraham’s seed by faith?Yes, spiritually: a follower of Abraham’s faith and participant in Messiah’s blessing.
Does Galatians 3:29 make the Church national Israel?No.
Does “heirs according to promise” include Canaan as a personal Gentile land inheritance?No.
What do Gentile believers inherit?Justification, salvation, the Spirit, and the spiritual blessings mediated through the Abrahamic/New-Covenant promises.
Who receives the national, territorial covenant fulfillment?Israel—the physical descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, nationally restored in faith.
 
2 Corinthians 1:20

“For ALL the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.”
Oh yes, all of the promises and covenants are made good by the work and person of Jesus Christ.
Some of these specific promises being fulfilled to the benefit of the gentile and Jewish believers in this Church age, some to the redeemed Sons of Jacob in the age to come.

Interestingly, as regards the Jewish believers in this Church age, their Abrahamic land grant blessings no longer apply, they obtain fullness and completeness by union with Christ. They need nothing else, nor do they desire it.

The supersesssionists are trying to do exegetical surgery with a sledgehammer.
And its a bloody mess.
 
Get a clue: the Church age had a distinct abrupt beginning, and will have a distinct abrupt ending the harpazo.
BTW, you very rarely make any good sense. Just to let you know.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

I have not been persuaded of your eschatology, but either way the Bible says that through Jesus we have everlasting life.

BTW, you very rarely make any good sense. Just to let you know.
God has blessed you with greater insight?
Be more specific please.
Within my limitations what I say makes sense to me.
You have not defined the Jews in any specific way.
If you were forced to leave you home on account of not being Jewish enough you would expect at least that.
You have been declaring a group of people to be "fake Jews", so it is only fair that you provide a reasonable definition.
 
"Proselytes in the Old Testament and Gentile believers in the New Testament join the commonwealth of spiritual blessings, but they never cross over into Jewish
ethnicity."

I was referring to New Testament times.

Under current Israeli law my sister would not be considered to be a Jew,
Yet she married a "legal" Jew.
What status would you give their children by your definition?
BTW "Israel" would exclude them.
 
The entire Bible is about God, saving His covenant people, through God Himself, Jesus.
Not about any ethnic group. Any ethnic group is only a clay in potter s hands.
God used Noah, Abraham, pharoh, Moses, even king nabkenezza, Romans, Christians.....

God centered, not any human centered.

Who is God's covenant people? See the sign of accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior.
 
The entire Bible is about God, saving His covenant people, through God Himself, Jesus.
Not about any ethnic group. Any ethnic group is only a clay in potter s hands.
God used Noah, Abraham, pharoh, Moses, even king nabkenezza, Romans, Christians.....

God centered, not any human centered.

Who is God's covenant people? See the sign of accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Please provide a full comprehensive exegetical treatment of Ezekiel chapters 37 thru 48.
Yes, it may take several months if not decades, but we must matriculate beyond those kinds of kindergarten level one-liner posts.
 
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Hebrews 13:14
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

We already have it.
So now you pivot and say that you DO NOT inherit the covenants given to Abraham and all of the remaining 5 inclusive.

And this insinuation couched in that same old one-liner biblically illiterate fluff and bluff style.

Sounds similar to the supersessionists around here who still cannot decide if a gentile becomes a Jew, or a Jew a gentile when they enter the New Covenant in this Church age.
 
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Hebrews 13:14
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

We already have it.

Please provide a full comprehensive exegetical treatment of Ezekiel chapters 37 thru 48.
Yes, it may take several months if not decades, but we must matriculate beyond those kinds of kindergarten level one-liner posts.
God make His message simple to simple minded people.
Read the entire Bible as one message, not bits and pieces.

True a remnant of ethnic jew will repent at Jesus 2nd coming. So that still matches the entire message, whoever believes in Jesus, shall have eternal life.

Jesus said to nekadamius, Mark, note that they were all ethnic jews, no one will see the kingdom of God, no one will see the Father, unless born again, unless through Jesus.

Just that simple. No privilege to anyone. But blessing to anyone who is in Jesus, the YHVH, the beginning and the end, the aleaf tav.
 
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John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

I have not been persuaded of your eschatology, but either way the Bible says that through Jesus we have everlasting life.


God has blessed you with greater insight?
Be more specific please.
Within my limitations what I say makes sense to me.
You have not defined the Jews in any specific way.
If you were forced to leave you home on account of not being Jewish enough you would expect at least that.
You have been declaring a group of people to be "fake Jews", so it is only fair that you provide a reasonable definition.
Every post you issue is testament to your vast ignorance and Biblical illiteracy.
And when superb exegetical treatments are offered (free of charge), you instantly spew them out of your mouth as offensive, all the while cursing and denigrating the beloved brethren of Christ the Jews.

As for me however, I absolutely gorge myself upon the feast of knowledge provided me by legitimately fine teachers, especially the Messianic Jewish kind.

The good news is that at this point, the hacks, wanna be's, rubes, fakes, charlatans, and frauds selling ridiculous biblically illiterate dogma are exceedingly easy to spot. I can do so almost instantly nowadays.

Lucky me huh?
 
Every post you issue is testament to your vast ignorance and Biblical illiteracy.
And when superb exegetical treatments are offered (free of charge), you instantly spew them out of your mouth as offensive, all the while cursing and denigrating the beloved brethren of Christ the Jews.

As for me however, I absolutely gorge myself upon the feast of knowledge provided me by legitimately fine teachers, especially the Messianic Jewish kind.

The good news is that at this point, the hacks, wanna be's, rubes, fakes, charlatans, and frauds selling ridiculous biblically illiterate dogma are exceedingly easy to spot. I can do so almost instantly nowadays.

Lucky me huh?

I have no intention of being offensive, but I aspire to being succinct and truthful.
The dispersion of the tribes of Israel has already happened.
I only acknowledge that reality.
Getting offended is an option, but not the response I desire.

If Fruchtenbaum's exegesis was shared by the Apostles and early church fathers, there would have been a separate tribe of Jewish Christians who only married other Jewish Christians in the time.
If God shared the exegesis He would have preserved that tribe throughout history.
Have Gentile and Jewish Christians not been free to marry each other since the New Testament?

In the absence of a tribal home land many forms of Judaism have risen and fallen in effort to maintain Jewish identity, and continue to do so.
Christianity has been detrimental to this effort, but it by no means has been the only obstacle.
Religion that strives to preserve moral purity without Christ becomes dry and loveless, and efforts to make it exciting for the young result in moral corruption, both producing a strong desire to leave.

Fruchenbaum and his friends may strive to make Christianity more compatible with the cause of Judaism, or even useful to it, but it is too late.
The task is already too great.
Not only do they need to persuade us that prophesies concerning the restoration of National Israel remain un-fulfilled, but they need to fulfill them in their own strength, all the while clinging on to fiction.

The result is a big bloody mess.
 
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So your Covenant theology crew thinks that the 6 covenants remaining in force now accrue to the Church right?

Well I say to you go ahead and try and prove it. While I stand back and ROFL.

Oh and BTW, the eternal covenant to the land granted to Abraham was unilaterally guaranteed.

However, RESIDING in the land was predicated upon keeping the Mosaic covenant. Israel did indeed break that covenant. BUT.....when they enter into the New Covenant, they will never again fail in faithfulness. And the land grant to Abraham will be ultimately and finally and eternally fulfilled never again to be rescended.

See how that works?

These emojis are killing me! I need something that says agree without a heart or love. Feel like a teenager on a fan site. That said, you nailed it!
 
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Historic Orthodox Christianity: from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible is about Christ and centers around Christ.


Dispy: the Bible is about Christ and Israel. To think otherwise is replacement theology!
 
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Haha, the Bible is about Christ!!!

Not about isreal ethnic group.

That's for sure.
The Bible is about Christ, yes this is the predominant component, as His work must needs be glorified.
But the Bible is also about God's plan of Salvation, of which His chosen people, Israel, are a crucial component, serving His purposes.

And they, the Jews, in their national context, shall likewise serve His purposes in the "age to come".
Albeit this time with unwavering fidelity.
 
The Bible is about Christ, yes this is the predominant component, as His work must needs be glorified.
But the Bible is also about God's plan of Salvation, of which His chosen people, Israel, are a crucial component, serving His purposes.

And they, the Jews, in their national context, shall likewise serve His purposes in the "age to come".
Albeit this time with unwavering fidelity.
God's chosen people is whoever in Christ. Has nothing to do with ethnic. Enough already!!!

All clay in potter s hand.
 
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