Was Mary Sinless?
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"Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness."
Genesis 15:6
Genesis 15:6
No you haven't. I keep asking you how this "deadened" spirit can hear. You have not answered. You simply keep repeating God zaps some power in and viola, but that has us born again before we hear the Gospel.
Yes, it sates repeatedly man and animals have breath. What is irrational is that you deem spirit as the rational part of man while at the same time being in it's "deadened" state. Maybe this is why your thinking is so dull.
He still can't get his head around all these people who would not have been able to see the kingdom of God Jn.3:3 yet somehow they can miraculously write about it and know the security of their salvation. I wonder who he thinks Yahweh is whom they believed? When will he wake up that there is no "before" Christ, He is the eternal God.
Psalm 23:6
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
Not condemned as, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus (Ro 8:1)." Is it possible to conflate condemned with dead?
A note to the faithful...
We are at present hidden IN Jesus Christ as the woman was hidden in Adam before the Lord put him into a deep sleep.
"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus." (Ro 8:1)
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He is condemned already because this one rejected the drawing of God!
Read Isaiah 53?
Isaiah knew who and what Jesus would be centuries before He was to be born.
It is definitely about Jesus!
When Isaiah 53 was read out loud in the kitchen where my Jewish relatives were sitting around.
The one who was handed a bible read it, openly confessed that it speaks about Jesus.
And she said that the bible she was just handed to read had to be a Catholic bible.
For "we" Jews do not believe in Jesus.
Turns out.... The bible she read *out loud* from?
Read, for my Jewish relatives to hear?
Was the bible I had received for my bar mitzvah!
My sister told me you could hear a pin drop when she told them where that bible came from.
Old testament saints could know WHAT Jesus would be.
They did not yet know who it was to be yet.
Knowing what He is is what saves us.
Keep in mind.
When Jesus told Nicodemus he needed to be born again?
It was still the Jewish age! He could be born again then!
The Church age did not begin until the Second Chapter of Acts!
But salvation had been always available before then.
Please consider what I just said
And Abram believed the Lord and was saved way back in his Mesopotamia days.......Before he "did" anything but believe.
Gen 11~~27Now these are the records of the generations of Terah. Terah fathered Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran fathered Lot. 28Haran died [n]during the lifetime of his father Terah in the land of his birth, in Ur of the Chaldeans. 29Abram and Nahor took wives for themselves. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah [o]and Iscah. 30Sarai was unable to conceive; she did not have a child.
31Now Terah took his son Abram, and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram’s wife, and they departed [p]together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan; and they went as far as Haran and [q]settled there.
Acts 7:2~~
And Stephen said, “Listen to me, brothers and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,
" Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy has begotten us AGAIN unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith UNTO SAVATION ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein you greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, you are in heaviness through manifold temptations. That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ. Whom having not seen, you love; in whom, though now you see Him not, yet believing, you rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory. RECEIVING THE END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS. Of which salvation THE PROPHETS HAVE INQUIRED AND SEARCHED DILIGENTLY, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter1:3-11. The Old Covenant righteous didn't receive salvation until Jesus sprinkled His precious blood on the mercy seat, descended to the lower parts of the earth, preached to the spirits in prison, THEN led captivity captive, who had received the " end of their faith ", found in Jesus, who is the Christ.
I have considered what you have written and yes, it is compelling and somewhat touching. But as I have written in answer to another one of your posts, #1833, concerning Abraham, please consider the passages of scripture from 1 Peter 1:3-11, keeping in mind that this is a faith walk and it has not yet ended. P.S. That was a BRAVE soul who read THAT passage of scripture in a Jewish home
)That is true Genez, but the enemy's job, and he has had a lot of practice, is to try to put condemnation on us through thoughts, ideas and suggestions. Speaking personally, he has tripped me up a couple of times but I then had to remind myself of scriptures such as that one, along with being made more than a conqueror, an overcomer, the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, and (my favorite) it's God who ALWAYS causes me to triumph in Christ Jesus. I'm sharing this because someone might be feeling condemnation now or will at sometime and these are the weapons we use, the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God, to combat it. Conviction by the Holy Spirit, yes, condemnation by Satan, never
I believe they have salvation now, after receiving " the end of their faith".
No you haven't. I keep asking you how this "deadened" spirit can hear. You have not answered. You simply keep repeating God zaps some power in and viola, but that has us born again before we hear the Gospel.
Yes, it sates repeatedly man and animals have breath. What is irrational is that you deem spirit as the rational part of man while at the same time being in it's "deadened" state. Maybe this is why your thinking is so dull.
I know that some in the OC, including those in the " hall of faith", were deemed righteous but in order to have salvation Jesus had to place His blood on the mercy seat to pay for our sins. He then descended to the lower parts of the earth and preached to the "spirits in prison", which were the OC righteous, and led captivity captive, who had received the "end of their faith, the salvation of their souls " found in Christ Jesus.
Before Christ was the Word, the Word put on flesh who became Jesus the Christ. In God's plan the Word, Jesus, was to be the Christ from the foundation of the world, and we were in Him (2 Tim 1:9) " Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has MADE that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36
You quoted me then didn't respond? Are you just trolling now or will finally give an answer to my question?
David was assured of his salvation because Christ is the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world. He was saved just as all believers in the OT were saved. They could see the Kingdom of God before them because they were born again, saved from spiritual death, the death you refuse to acknowledge.
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
There were believers before the giving of the Old Covenant to Moses. Believers in OT times were saved in the same manner believers in our day and time are saved ... by grace through faith.
The Old Covenant was never intended to "save" anyone. The purpose of the Old Covenant was to bring folks to Christ ... Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith – Galatians 3:24. Salvation has always been by grace through faith.
Job said ... For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me – Job 19:25-27.
David said ... As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness – Psalm 17:15.
The sons of Korah said ... But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me – Psalm 49:15.
You do not believe that Job, David, the sons of Korah knew they had salvation from God? While they looked forward to God's promise ... the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world and we look back to the crucifixion/resurrection ... we are still just as they were ... looking forward to the coming day when we all shall see "face to face" and not "through a glass darkly" ... we shall "awake, with thy likeness".
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