Revolution in Iran

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SonJudgment said:
I'm more on the direct source material reader myself. I'm not against the jews nor ignorant of their downsides either. You do make the better case though against the preterists, but really it is all just side issue and distraction as they scurry and move those goalposts worse than their jumbling of the secular Roman timeline as they are trying to save the IRGC pagans in vain and try to frantically retroactive rewrite even modern history that had already been written into the tablet of destiny with Heaven's pen of iron. Job 19:23-27
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I have to tell you that I definitely do not agree with Fruchtenbaum on several key Biblical issues, namely:

- his view on the scenario of the fall of Adam (Stephen Chronister is surely correct regarding this seminal event)
- his view on the "fig tree and all the trees" (undoubtedly the fig tree is indeed Israel and all the trees are the nations post WW1)
- his views on human free will and Gods sovereignty are close to mine, but with subtle differences (again Chronister has it closer to the fact of the matter IMO)

But......Fruchtenbaum is spot on very often, this due to his insightful Hebrew perspective of course.
 
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cv5 said:
I have to tell you that I definitely do not agree with Fruchtenbaum on several key Biblical issues, namely:

- his view on the scenario of the fall of Adam (Stephen Chronister is surely correct regarding this seminal event)
- his view on the "fig tree and all the trees" (undoubtedly the fig tree is indeed Israel and all the trees are the nations post WW1)
- his views on human free will and Gods sovereignty are close to mine, but with subtle differences (again Chronister has it closer to the fact of the matter IMO)

But......Fruchtenbaum is spot on very often, this due to his insightful Hebrew perspective of course.
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To be honest I never even heard of him until this topic, but it's interesting i guess for the long running digression the wicked ones that hate the truth and rooted for Satan's IRGC the entire topic chose to try to distract on and even pretty soundly lost there too praise Jesus. I won't become a dispensationalist but yea in a strict cage match against the absolute heretic preterists it's not even a competition, you have won decisively, it's analagous to a third world cult trying to fight America at the zenith of our temporal power ;)
 
cv5 said:
Try and use such a statement in a courtroom.
You have no answer nor any Scriptural evidence to back up your views.
Anybody can see by your vapid vacuous tepid replies that this is true.
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Oh right, the followers of Jesus were supposed to think "UNTIL" means 2000+ years into the future not the nation that actually

existed at that time that was going to be judged... I am sure that is exactly what they thought Jesus was saying... "this has noting to do

with you but round two because God has to punish people twice, once is not enough." smh.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Oh right, the followers of Jesus were supposed to think "UNTIL" means 2000+ years into the future not the nation that actually

existed at that time that was going to be judged... I am sure that is exactly what they thought Jesus was saying... "this has noting to do

with you but round two because God has to punish people twice, once is not enough." smh.
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The generation in Matthew 24:34 isn't the generation he is talking to because if you read the whole chapter, even just the immediate preceding verses it's pretty clear Jesus is telling us about the last generations and has gone through a whole sequence of events of signs like the fig leafs budding that "this generation will certainly not pass away until ALL these things have happened", which is what the disciples in the generations of the first century AD asked him what the end of the world was going to be like at the whole beginning of the chapter meaning even they were thinking it was in the future from their time then.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Oh right, the followers of Jesus were supposed to think "UNTIL" means 2000+ years into the future not the nation that actually

existed at that time that was going to be judged... I am sure that is exactly what they thought Jesus was saying... "this has noting to do

with you but round two because God has to punish people twice, once is not enough." smh.
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I don't find that the 2000 plus years is valid concerning God or his prophetic word. As his first prophetic word he spoke in a way that it was happening immediately and that as long as pregnancy and birth took, it would be finished yet it took 4000 years to come to pass.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

As he is not slack concerning his promises. Yet you have reasoned that you can place a time period on what he says. As well as no nation existed there was only a Roman province or administration in the land. After 6 AD Rome merged Judea, Samaria, and Idumea into a single province. Which of course Pilot was governor over at the time of Christ death.

The legal distinction is played out with the bible recording Pilot sending him to Herod when he heard he was a Galilean and Herod sending him back.

Luke 23:6-7
When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked whether the man were a Galilaean. 7And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time.

I would think that God the spirit in his wisdom of inspiration saw fit that this very distinction was made to emphasis that there was no nation just a jurisdiction.
 
SonJudgment said:
To be honest I never even heard of him until this topic, but it's interesting i guess for the long running digression the wicked ones that hate the truth and rooted for Satan's IRGC the entire topic chose to try to distract on and even pretty soundly lost there too praise Jesus. I won't become a dispensationalist but yea in a strict cage match against the absolute heretic preterists it's not even a competition, you have won decisively, it's analagous to a third world cult trying to fight America at the zenith of our temporal power ;)
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[Heb 1:1-2 KJV] 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

This epitomizes, for lack of a better term "dispensationalism".

And yes, we definitely need a better term. This one carries too much baggage.
 
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cv5 said:
[Heb 1:1-2 KJV] 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

This epitomizes, for lack of a better term "dispensationalism".

And yes, we definitely need a better term. This one carries too much baggage.
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Did you notice these last days! LOL

Oh right, that was not really written to those people at that time, it was written for us and of course those people would have been lied to but that is okay in the dispensationalist system, there is always some complex way to make it work.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Did you notice these last days! LOL

Oh right, that was not really written to those people at that time, it was written for us and of course those people would have been lied to but that is okay in the dispensationalist system, there is always some complex way to make it work.
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Of course these are the "last days". This is the Church age dispensation, all of which are the "last days" of the world where Christ is hidden, the last day that the world is governed by fallen men.

Then comes the abrupt and cataclysmic start of the epochal Millenium, aka the DAY OF THE LORD, when He is finally REVEALED and "every eye shall see Him", and He shall take the throne of David in Jerusalem.

Only then does dawning of the "new day" dispensation commence.

Luk 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Mat 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Did you notice these last days! LOL

Oh right, that was not really written to those people at that time, it was written for us and of course those people would have been lied to but that is okay in the dispensationalist system, there is always some complex way to make it work.
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According to Hosea 6 the Lord returns at the end of two days. According to Peter a thousand years is as one day to the Lord. The common interpretation of the six days of creation is that this refers to six thousand years and the seventh day is the Millennial kingdom, a thousand year reign. It was four thousand years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion and two thousand years from Christ's crucifixion to today.
 
HeIsHere said:
Did you notice these last days! LOL

Oh right, that was not really written to those people at that time, it was written for us and of course those people would have been lied to but that is okay in the dispensationalist system, there is always some complex way to make it work.
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"all of which are the "last days" of the world where Christ is ***hidden***"

"There is a prophetic scene in the book of Kings in which there seems to be a reference at least to the resurrection. Jezebel's daughter, Athaliah, had attempted to destroy all the seed royal; but though she thought she had succeeded, one "from among the slain" was taken and hidden in the temple of the Lord till the time for his proclamation as king. He was the heir to the throne, but a usurper reigned; just as now the heir to the same throne, the throne of David and the throne of Jehovah (1 Chron. xxix. 23), is hidden for a time in the presence of God, and will not be seen by the world till "the crowning day that's coming by-and-by." The usurper thought to have destroyed Him on Calvary; but He rose from the
dead, and will soon take His power and reign. We see from Rev. ii. 20, 23, that Jezebel and her children are evidently types of Satan's power and the evil systems which he has introduced; and Athaliah's reign is a striking picture of Christendom just now.

The position of the Levites, who are a type of the Church, on this occasion illustrates our attitude as waiting for the signal on this occasion illustrates our attitude as waiting for the signal that shall call us to the side of the King's Son who "shall reign," that we may be "with the King when He cometh in and goeth out." The Levites of all the cities of Judah, and the chief of the fathers of Israel, were by the high priest let into the secret that changed their lives. He "showed them the king's son." They learnt that he was not dead, but that he was alive; and that when the right time had come he would be proclaimed king. Faith in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus has changed men's lives ever since that resurrection took place; for we read, "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." No longer the servants of the usurper, but knowing that his dominion will soon cease, we wait for the Son from heaven, when we shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and afterwards shall come with Him in His glory. "Surely I come quickly: Amen. Even so come, Lord Jesus!"
 
Just fyi, Israel state is very liberal. They very much support sexual immorality, transgender, gay, abortion, pedophilia...and they blasphem Jesus name.

All against Bible teaching.
 
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Churchgoer said:
Just fyi, Israel state is very liberal. They very much support sexual immorality, transgender, gay, abortion, pedophilia...and they blasphem Jesus name.

All against Bible teaching.
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I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
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So the conclusion? Christians should support isreal state for all the immoralities?
Just like the jew leaders and crowd, and judah to crucify Jesus?
 
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