The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Thaddeus said:
I have been convicted of much sin in my life ever since I got saved:
IE, impure thoughts/lust, failing to love others as I should, telling fibs(when I was young) and much more besides. I have felt immense guilt because of it. And I did NOT have to firstly read of law written in ink to be conscious of sin
But I have never been conscious of sin in regard to not following all of Torah
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There are many examples of people that were ignorant to the truth.

And God will wink at their ignorance.

But if you have the opportunity to know the truth and refuse will God hold you guiltless?

Paul was ignorant about Jesus and was killing those that followed Him.

Then THE TRUTH WAS REVEALED.

He saw the light.

Knowing the truth changed Paul from a Christian murderer to a teacher, leading people to love Christ.

The truth will set you free.

The problem is, some people read the Bible fully convinced before the words can change them. They refuse to see the light.

There is lots of reasons and bible verses to know that the 10 commandments are still important to obey today.

Not because they have saving power but because of our love for the Saviour.

But if you are not willing to see the clear truth you are no different then the people in Jesus's day. They had so such evidence and even more evidence in the old testament scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah. But they crucified Him.

Will they be able to claim ignorance?

All I can do is share the verses..
I'm not claiming to know more but I know that the 10 commandments are important to God. The evidence is huge when you are able to see clearly.

You can pray and ask God to reveal His truth. Not the truth you want or you think is right but Gods truth.
 
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2Christ said:
The question is not how many books Paul wrote. The question is whether your interpretation agrees with Jesus.
Jesus never taught that God's commandments produce sin. He taught the opposite.
If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:17, ASV)
If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments. (John 14:15, ASV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4, ASV)
If the commandments themselves caused sin, why would Jesus tell people to keep them in order to enter life? Why would He command His disciples to keep His commandments? Why would John define sin as breaking God's law instead of obeying it?

The commandment does not create evil desires. It reveals them. A speed limit sign does not make someone want to speed. It exposes whether they choose to obey or rebel. The problem is the heart, not God's law.

Jesus said, For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed... (Mark 7:21-23, ASV). He did not say they come from God's commandments.

So I choose to follow Jesus' teaching first. If someone interprets Paul in a way that contradicts Jesus, then that interpretation is the problem, not Jesus' words.

Good luck you'll need it it is by Jesus words we are judged.
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I will explain it to you if you like
But firstly, can a person enter heaven if they do not obey the ten commandments?
 
TMS said:
There are many examples of people that were ignorant to the truth.

And God will wink at their ignorance.

But if you have the opportunity to know the truth and refuse will God hold you guiltless?

Paul was ignorant about Jesus and was killing those that followed Him.

Then THE TRUTH WAS REVEALED.

He saw the light.

Knowing the truth changed Paul from a Christian murderer to a teacher, leading people to love Christ.

The truth will set you free.

The problem is, some people read the Bible fully convinced before the words can change them. They refuse to see the light.

There is lots of reasons and bible verses to know that the 10 commandments are still important to obey today.

Not because they have saving power but because of our love for the Saviour.

But if you are not willing to see the clear truth you are no different then the people in Jesus's day. They had so such evidence and even more evidence in the old testament scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah. But they crucified Him.

Will they be able to claim ignorance?

All I can do is share the verses..
I'm not claiming to know more but I know that the 10 commandments are important to God. The evidence is huge when you are able to see clearly.

You can pray and ask God to reveal His truth. Not the truth you want or you think is right but Gods truth.
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A person must know in their mind what is in their mind
I will write my laws in their minds
A person must have heartfelt consciousness of sin if they transgress the law in their heart
And I will place my laws in their hearts
 
Thaddeus said:
Well I simply quoted the words of Paul to you, it was not my interpretation
So it seems you are trying to bring Paul into conflict with Jesus.
Once again, according to Jesus own words, what he taught could be understood without the indwelling Holy Spirit, so much of what Paul wrote requires the indwelling Holy Spirit to understand
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Do Paul's words controdict Jesus's words?
Do Paul's words controdict Paul's own words? No..

He said... Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is HOLY, JUST, and GOOD.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

If this law is good then how is it nailed to the cross years before.. it would not be good it would be gone?

It was still good in Paul's day. And is still good today.
 
TMS said:
There is lots of reasons and bible verses to know that the 10 commandments are still important to obey today.
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Why do hyou use the words ''ten commandments''?
Ever since I got saved, I knew in my mind instinctively God did not want me to steal, murder, commit adultery, take His name in vain, bear false witness. Disd I have to think of the words ten commandments concerning those things? No! it was just instinctively known to me, I never thought of that phrase at all
And in my heart, I did not want to do those things
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
 
TMS said:
Do Paul's words controdict Jesus's words?
Do Paul's words controdict Paul's own words? No..

He said... Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is HOLY, JUST, and GOOD.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

If this law is good then how is it nailed to the cross years before.. it would not be good it would be gone?

It was still good in Paul's day. And is still good today.
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Then let me ask you
Can a person enter heaven if they do not obey the ten commandments?
 
2Christ said:
The question is not how many books Paul wrote. The question is whether your interpretation agrees with Jesus.
Jesus never taught that God's commandments produce sin. He taught the opposite.
If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:17, ASV)
If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments. (John 14:15, ASV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4, ASV)
If the commandments themselves caused sin, why would Jesus tell people to keep them in order to enter life? Why would He command His disciples to keep His commandments? Why would John define sin as breaking God's law instead of obeying it?

The commandment does not create evil desires. It reveals them. A speed limit sign does not make someone want to speed. It exposes whether they choose to obey or rebel. The problem is the heart, not God's law.

Jesus said, For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed... (Mark 7:21-23, ASV). He did not say they come from God's commandments.

So I choose to follow Jesus' teaching first. If someone interprets Paul in a way that contradicts Jesus, then that interpretation is the problem, not Jesus' words.

Good luck you'll need it it is by Jesus words we are judged.
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I will explain it to you anyway, as you think Paul contradicts Jesus:

Someone says to a young teenager

You MUST obey the ten commandments. You cannot enter Heaven otherwise.

Let us suppose the young teenager is not in ignorance as to what is entailed in obeying the Ten commandments, they know no watered down version of them exists. Before them stands the tenth commandment. They must NOT lust/ dwell on any impure thought. What will go through the young teenagers mind?



‘’I must not dwell on any impure thought, if I do it shows I Am not justified before God and will end up in hell’’

Im sure the young man would be petrified of such thoughts, what could you fear more, as a believer than being cast into hell for eternity?

Can you escape thinking of what you fear, or, will thoughts of what you fear consume you? Speaking for myself, when I was young, the more I feared something, the more wild imaginations went through my mind concerning what I feared, and so, concerning the young teenager:

‘’I don’t want to go to hell, I must not dwell on any impure thought, I must not’’



What will be the result? Well it shouldn‘t take much discernment to know. But Paul can explain it. In Rom7:7-11 he is speaking of the time the law came to him, as a thirteen year old, for that is when a young Jewish lad made a personal commitment to God:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. Rom7:7&8

And so, the young man’s fear of ending up in hell if he did not obey the command not to covet, caused sinfull passions to be aroused in him.
 
Churchgoer said:
Exactly, when we receive the new heart , we are delighted to follow Jesus commandment. It is like sweet water, please let us drink more.
A matured believer loves to follow Jesus, hates the sin.
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Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2
 
Throughout the Old Testament and throughout Jesus' teaching, the pattern is the same: salvation belongs to those who believe God, repent, and walk in obedience. Obedience does not earn salvation, but it is the fruit of genuine faith and love for God. A person who continually rejects God's commandments is rejecting the very will of the Father that Jesus came to reveal.

The Old Testament and the words of Jesus give a consistent answer: persistent, willful rejection of God's commandments is incompatible with entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus calls people to repentance, faith, and a life that seeks to obey God from the heart.
 
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2Christ said:
NO!
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Then let us hope you suffer from no impure thoughts/lust
Let us hope you never desire anything of your neighbours whether material goods or a member of their household
You fully obey the law relating to the inner person, the law no one but you and God need know you break
You never put anything before God in your life
You never erect any graven image in your mind
You fully obey the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation(2Cor3:6-9)
 
Those who keep stressing
''You must obey the ten commandments'', have no idea what obedience to those commands entails
 
Thaddeus said:
Those who keep stressing
''You must obey the ten commandments'', have no idea what obedience to those commands entails
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Jesus encapsulated the ten commandments into the two laws:

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" as the first and greatest commandment, and "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" as the second. Jesus stated that "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:37-40).

Jesus clarified that He came not to destroy the law but to "fulfill" it, meaning He came to make it full, expand its understanding, and embody its perfect righteousness.

The ability to keep these commands shifts from external obligation to internal capability through the New Covenant. Unlike the Old Covenant, where the law was written on stone tablets, the New Covenant promises that God will "put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds" (Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:33).

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  • Internal Transformation: The Holy Spirit renews the believer's heart, changing their desires so that obedience becomes a natural response of love rather than a burden of duty. This fulfills the prophecy of Ezekiel 36:27, where God promises to put His Spirit within His people to enable them to follow His decrees.
  • Divine Love: The specific love required by Jesus' commands (agape) is described as being "poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit" (Romans 5:5). This divine love enables believers to love God wholly and to love neighbors self-sacrificially, even enemies, in a way that exceeds natural human capacity.

If you find yourself not willing to obey God as He wills for people who want to be saved, then something is wrong and you need to ask God why the Holy Spirit is not at work in you.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Jesus encapsulated the ten commandments into the two laws:

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" as the first and greatest commandment, and "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" as the second. Jesus stated that "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:37-40).

Jesus clarified that He came not to destroy the law but to "fulfill" it, meaning He came to make it full, expand its understanding, and embody its perfect righteousness.

The ability to keep these commands shifts from external obligation to internal capability through the New Covenant. Unlike the Old Covenant, where the law was written on stone tablets, the New Covenant promises that God will "put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds" (Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:33).

From Search:
  • Internal Transformation: The Holy Spirit renews the believer's heart, changing their desires so that obedience becomes a natural response of love rather than a burden of duty. This fulfills the prophecy of Ezekiel 36:27, where God promises to put His Spirit within His people to enable them to follow His decrees.
  • Divine Love: The specific love required by Jesus' commands (agape) is described as being "poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit" (Romans 5:5). This divine love enables believers to love God wholly and to love neighbors self-sacrificially, even enemies, in a way that exceeds natural human capacity.

If you find yourself not willing to obey God as He wills for people who want to be saved, then something is wrong and you need to ask God why the Holy Spirit is not at work in you.


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you got it right especially about the word fulfill that means as you wrote"meaning He came to make it full, expand its understanding, and embody its perfect righteousness." People who reject the commandments and wont do the will of God explain as "to end", " finished" wich is a lie.
 
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TMS said:
Please distinguish which law was added.

There is no sin without law.

But sin was present from Adam to Moses.

Which law was added and which law was defining sin?
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That which was written in stone and parchment. That is which was added. But the law through God’s Spirit is and was eternal for He is eternal.
TMS said:
Please distinguish which law was added.

There is no sin without law.

But sin was present from Adam to Moses.

Which law was added and which law was defining sin?
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Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 
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Qt said:
By the Law is the knowledge of sin The Law has never made anyone righteous. It was added because of transgressions. But the faith through Christ establishes the Law.
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"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God." Galatians 2:19. What laws apply to dead people?

But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7:6.

"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12

When you follow the law, you are not living by faith. That means that you are not pleasing God.

"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Galatians 3:23-25

The law does not save us and neither does it make us righteous. "Whoever keeps the whole law, but stumbles at just one point, is guilty of breaking all of it." James 2:10

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Romans 8:14

All that is in your Bible too.
 
Qt said:
That which was written in stone and parchment. That is which was added. But the law through God’s Spirit is and was eternal for He is eternal.

Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
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can you give the details of the LAW as mentioned in what you wrote"But the law through God’s Spirit is and was eternal for He is eternal." of what law are you referring to, any verses? i need details to understand what you wrote there.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
If you find yourself not willing to obey God as He wills for people who want to be saved, then something is wrong and you need to ask God why the Holy Spirit is not at work in you.


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I have always found, people like me, who do not stress you must obey the ten commandments are far more grieved at their failings concerning what is written in that law, than those who insist they must be obeyed.
Those who state
You must obey the ten commandments still look to an external law, not an internal law
Note, I do not say they do not have an internal law, for I am no ones judge
 
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I wonder how many, who insist you must obey the ten commandments would be grieved at their failings to obey what is written in that law on the inside? Or, would they shrug it off as not important?
Or possibly they actually believe they fully obey the ten commandments?
Either way, it is a reflection of looking to and relying on an external law.
Those who have and rely on an internal law, cannot hide from its demands, or fail to be grieved at their failings concerning it, whether internal or external
 
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