Is the Holy Spirit actively working today? Also, Is the Holy Spirit necessary for salvation?
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Feel free to reject God's word when it does not fit your made up theology. Reality is a problem, isn't it.
If Scripture is in harmony, why do you have no good answer to posts #31,32 and 36?
Merely declaring something moot does not harmonize Acts 2:38 with 10:44-48,
but only indicates your ignorance of GW, which when harmonized teaches that
whether SB follows or precedes WB, it is SB that is essential for salvation (Rom. 8:9, Eph. 4:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
WB is a rite/work that is a recommended/appropriate way of confessing faith in Christ's atoning death and resurrection.
WB has value as such, but it is SB that counts/is requisite for salvation (cf. Rom. 2:28-29).
So the question now is which is right?
A. The remission of sins comes to believers obeying the command to repent and be baptized. Acts 2:36-41
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
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B. The remission of sins comes by simply believing, no need for repentance or baptism. Acts 10:44-48
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days
What happened in that house on that day was not promised to "you and your children and for all who are far off".
We cannot claim what happened in the house of Cornelius as our promise.
I believe I have done a rather fine job of answering your questions.
In the end Jesus has the final say so.
Mark 16:16 - "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'
A simple 16 word sentence composed of two independent clauses that refutes the nonsense of faith alone regeneration theology.
No need to cross reference or harmonize. This verse fits well in the rest of the Bible and that includes both Acts 2:36-41 and Acts 10:44-48.
No one is surprised that you prefer to prooftext than to harmonize GW.
TrustorObey is more apt.
What happened in the house of Cornelius could and has happened since. I don't know why you have a problem with that.
It's easy. People were saved before they were baptised. People are still being saved before they are baptised. I was saved before I was baptised.
Baptism symbolises burial. (Colossians 2:12). You only bury dead people. Only those who receive Christ are included in His death.
People should be baptised as soon as possible after they are born again. But that does not cause them to be born again. It's a consequence.
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
— Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
— Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.
Isaiah 10:27 is a wonderful verse. I'm just wondering though why you have posted it in so many different threads (I've counted eight so far).
So many want to have the yoke and put onto others dont know it written to have it Gone! Answer many questions and fake teaching you didn't see Matt?
You should of heard this Also
HS active in few,thats the answer to what He saying that would show us more with a Real Reply .To Glory Him ,that's the missing key to many .
You should of heard this Also
HS active in few,thats the answer to what He saying that would show us more with a Real Reply .To Glory Him ,that's the missing key to many .
No, the holy Spirit is not actively working . this is because people deny Him & The Holy Spirit is idled down then THERE is No Salvation the Holy Spirit does not force Anyone that dont want Him
Plain truth to thread that Should Not be addressed by any that know Jesus as God Son of man Glorified .
Plain truth to thread that Should Not be addressed by any that know Jesus as God Son of man Glorified .
People are getting saved every day and that requires the Holy Spirit to be active.