Corporate Worship

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We recently attended a “Mega Church” service. We were greeted by very friendly and helpful people. We were offered a cup of custom brewed coffee and a selection of pastries, before being escorted to a seating area. The crowd was large, the auditorium even larger. The service began with several popular religious songs sung by a magnificent choir. The words of the songs were projected from strategic placed big-screens. A man stepped forward, the Senior Pastor. Following a brief prayer, he gave a polished and professional sermon about being honest while important points were emphasized on the big screens. The choir reappeared, sang two more popular songs and the service was dismissed.

Underneath the pomp and polish were other more subtle signs.

Even in our brief encounters, there were no words of faith or witness spoken. Most participants remain seated before the service started, perhaps talking to someone in an adjoining seat, but not mixing. During the songs, most people stood or sat motionless while listening. Only a very few actually sang. During the final two hymns and during the benediction, many began leaving early. When we left there was no mention of fellowship or small group worship, just a large-print “Daily Bread” to take home. No effort made to encourage our return.

Small churches fare little better, the same service but with required conformity, ingrained power structures, inherited seats and hidden nepotism.

In Jesus time, corporate worship took place in the home, or sometimes in a tiny nearby home-church (synagogue). Home-church assemblies were frequently “Agape Feasts” and centered around shared meals. There was reading Torah, instruction, singing, dancing and praising God. The Bible indicates anyone was allowed to speak, even lowly sons of carpenters. Sometimes, instruction was given by a participant who had actually heard Christ, or perhaps knew one of the original apostles. There was no seminary trained or paid clergy. They held everything in common, voluntarily selling possessions to give to those in need. (No, this is not Socialism)! They also met daily in the temple courts, not just one hour a week.

So, tell me again how Christians view corporate worship as, “…. the single most important thing we do. It plays an indispensable role in rekindling our spiritual fire, and keeping it burning. Corporate worship brings together God’s word, prayer, and fellowship, and so makes for the greatest means of God’s ongoing grace in the Christian life.”

I love the people sitting in the pews doing their best to be Christ-like. But when will the church wake up? This doesn’t need to be.
 
We recently attended a “Mega Church” service. We were greeted by very friendly and helpful people. We were offered a cup of custom brewed coffee and a selection of pastries, before being escorted to a seating area. The crowd was large, the auditorium even larger. The service began with several popular religious songs sung by a magnificent choir. The words of the songs were projected from strategic placed big-screens. A man stepped forward, the Senior Pastor. Following a brief prayer, he gave a polished and professional sermon about being honest while important points were emphasized on the big screens. The choir reappeared, sang two more popular songs and the service was dismissed.

Underneath the pomp and polish were other more subtle signs.

Even in our brief encounters, there were no words of faith or witness spoken. Most participants remain seated before the service started, perhaps talking to someone in an adjoining seat, but not mixing. During the songs, most people stood or sat motionless while listening. Only a very few actually sang. During the final two hymns and during the benediction, many began leaving early. When we left there was no mention of fellowship or small group worship, just a large-print “Daily Bread” to take home. No effort made to encourage our return.

Small churches fare little better, the same service but with required conformity, ingrained power structures, inherited seats and hidden nepotism.

In Jesus time, corporate worship took place in the home, or sometimes in a tiny nearby home-church (synagogue). Home-church assemblies were frequently “Agape Feasts” and centered around shared meals. There was reading Torah, instruction, singing, dancing and praising God. The Bible indicates anyone was allowed to speak, even lowly sons of carpenters. Sometimes, instruction was given by a participant who had actually heard Christ, or perhaps knew one of the original apostles. There was no seminary trained or paid clergy. They held everything in common, voluntarily selling possessions to give to those in need. (No, this is not Socialism)! They also met daily in the temple courts, not just one hour a week.

So, tell me again how Christians view corporate worship as, “…. the single most important thing we do. It plays an indispensable role in rekindling our spiritual fire, and keeping it burning. Corporate worship brings together God’s word, prayer, and fellowship, and so makes for the greatest means of God’s ongoing grace in the Christian life.”

I love the people sitting in the pews doing their best to be Christ-like. But when will the church wake up? This doesn’t need to be.
It's a great weakness of modern Christianity. Mega churches require mega money to survive. "We've turned the gospel of salvation into the business of saving souls" as one songwriter put it. Pastors are often judged on the numbers. Church growth is not measured by spiritual maturity but by Sunday attendances. This is entirely unbiblical and unedifying. Yet it is also what people want.

I can't stand a certain preacher. I listened to a bit of his preaching. It's more like a worldly motivational speech. He tells people how wonderful they are and they lap it up. He knows how to tickle the ear and people flood in.

I call it Christianism. It has the appearance but no reality. No matter how many people attend, you can write "Ichabod" over the doorway.

When I complained to God about this, He told me that He still has a remnant of the faithful, "7,000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal." The true church quietly goes about the work of preaching the gospel of the Kingdom. The real church preaches death to self, carrying the cross daily, the power of the resurrected life and deliverance from Satan's bondage. I'd rather meet with 30 who are truly born again than 30,000 make believers.
 
My education and work experience is in Organizational Management. I have helped several organizations accomplish their goals. It’s not complicated but does take commitment. (It is amazing how this process mimics the teachings of Yeshua, but that’s for another post.)

When helping churches there is always the same snag. While senior leadership can maintain control of the direction and goals, they refuse to surrender planning and operational considerations to staff and volunteers. For a seminary trained “expert” to allow the membership to make planning and operational decisions terrifies church leadership.

Can you imagine any business that believes only the CEO and Board of Directors can plan and execute day-to-day operations? The modern western Church can preach very honorable and lofty goals, but they have yet to understand the “assembly” must be empowered for them to be attained. History proves this point. Christianity’s greatest achievements were not accomplished by the church, but by the assembly.
 
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It's a great weakness of modern Christianity. Mega churches require mega money to survive. "We've turned the gospel of salvation into the business of saving souls" as one songwriter put it. Pastors are often judged on the numbers. Church growth is not measured by spiritual maturity but by Sunday attendances. This is entirely unbiblical and unedifying. Yet it is also what people want.

I can't stand a certain preacher. I listened to a bit of his preaching. It's more like a worldly motivational speech. He tells people how wonderful they are and they lap it up. He knows how to tickle the ear and people flood in.

I call it Christianism. It has the appearance but no reality. No matter how many people attend, you can write "Ichabod" over the doorway.

When I complained to God about this, He told me that He still has a remnant of the faithful, "7,000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal." The true church quietly goes about the work of preaching the gospel of the Kingdom. The real church preaches death to self, carrying the cross daily, the power of the resurrected life and deliverance from Satan's bondage. I'd rather meet with 30 who are truly born again than 30,000 make believers.
I have that song in my collection. Steve Camp. "Playing marbles with diamonds."

Anything popular and prevalent will have imitators trying to make money from it. This does not in any way diminish the real thing. It only provides a distraction for those who want the hype without the real thing.

But that era is fading. Christianity's popularity is in general on the wane. It's getting a lot easier to tell who the real Christians are.

We recently attended a “Mega Church” service. We were greeted by very friendly and helpful people. We were offered a cup of custom brewed coffee and a selection of pastries, before being escorted to a seating area. The crowd was large, the auditorium even larger. The service began with several popular religious songs sung by a magnificent choir. The words of the songs were projected from strategic placed big-screens. A man stepped forward, the Senior Pastor. Following a brief prayer, he gave a polished and professional sermon about being honest while important points were emphasized on the big screens. The choir reappeared, sang two more popular songs and the service was dismissed.

Underneath the pomp and polish were other more subtle signs.

Even in our brief encounters, there were no words of faith or witness spoken. Most participants remain seated before the service started, perhaps talking to someone in an adjoining seat, but not mixing. During the songs, most people stood or sat motionless while listening. Only a very few actually sang. During the final two hymns and during the benediction, many began leaving early. When we left there was no mention of fellowship or small group worship, just a large-print “Daily Bread” to take home. No effort made to encourage our return.

Small churches fare little better, the same service but with required conformity, ingrained power structures, inherited seats and hidden nepotism.

In Jesus time, corporate worship took place in the home, or sometimes in a tiny nearby home-church (synagogue). Home-church assemblies were frequently “Agape Feasts” and centered around shared meals. There was reading Torah, instruction, singing, dancing and praising God. The Bible indicates anyone was allowed to speak, even lowly sons of carpenters. Sometimes, instruction was given by a participant who had actually heard Christ, or perhaps knew one of the original apostles. There was no seminary trained or paid clergy. They held everything in common, voluntarily selling possessions to give to those in need. (No, this is not Socialism)! They also met daily in the temple courts, not just one hour a week.

So, tell me again how Christians view corporate worship as, “…. the single most important thing we do. It plays an indispensable role in rekindling our spiritual fire, and keeping it burning. Corporate worship brings together God’s word, prayer, and fellowship, and so makes for the greatest means of God’s ongoing grace in the Christian life.”

I love the people sitting in the pews doing their best to be Christ-like. But when will the church wake up? This doesn’t need to be.
Either you live in an area where they have not yet got the word that Christianity is no longer popular, or that mega church is already on the way out. Either way, I bet you won't have anything to complain about in just a few more years.
 
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I have that song in my collection. Steve Camp. "Playing marbles with diamonds."

Anything popular and prevalent will have imitators trying to make money from it. This does not in any way diminish the real thing. It only provides a distraction for those who want the hype without the real thing.

But that era is fading. Christianity's popularity is in general on the wane. It's getting a lot easier to tell who the real Christians are.


Either you live in an area where they have not yet got the word that Christianity is no longer popular, or that mega church is already on the way out. Either way, I bet you won't have anything to complain about in just a few more years.
You are probably right. But suggesting solutions is an act of love, not complaint.
 
My education and work experience is in Organizational Management. I have helped several organizations accomplish their goals. It’s not complicated but does take commitment. (It is amazing how this process mimics the teachings of Yeshua, but that’s for another post.)

When helping churches there is always the same snag. While senior leadership can maintain control of the direction and goals, they refuse to surrender planning and operational considerations to staff and volunteers. For a seminary trained “expert” to allow the membership to make planning and operational decisions terrifies church leadership.

Can you imagine any business that believes only the CEO and Board of Directors can plan and execute day-to-day operations? The modern western Church can preach very honorable and lofty goals, but they have yet to understand the “assembly” must be empowered for them to be attained. History proves this point. Christianity’s greatest achievements were not accomplished by the church, but by the assembly.


Your post reminds me of a church we attended briefly. The young preacher was from Seattle. He was full of "ideas". We attended one Sunday and the back pews are taken out and replaced with tables. Now doughnuts and coffee were being served throughout the service. Whatever is going on, singing or preaching there are people in the back talking while they get their food and drink. It didn't bring anyone new in, nor did it help the service in any way.
Well the time came when the young preacher was in a pinch and needed someone to fill in a service while he was away. He asked my father, a shoot from the hip evangelist, to take the service. I think he thought my father was a little too harsh for his "sheep". So the worship service goes on as usual, people getting their drinks and food, same low buzz of talking and laughing, not paying attention to the stage. My father got up and said very directly and deliberately, " If you get up to get coffee/ food, I WILL be offended!!" No one moved after that. There was no food or drink served, no one moved or said anything the entire sermon. I laughed to myself and thought they all got a lesson on etiquette today. To my father, the message was important and nothing was more important than the Word. So they learned two lessons that day.
 
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I pray daily for specific people to be drawn to the cross of Christ. But my prayers are burdened by the “then what?”

Where do they go? So many churches are now woke, liberal, not preaching the gospel.

Playing the game of church like it’s a country club. Some call this Churchianity.

I have attended a variety of local churches of different denominations, and finally found one that seems rather good and spiritual. It’s an independent Bible church.

I wish every church was preaching the gospel, and each was just a slight variation, with different emphasis.
 
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You are probably right. But suggesting solutions is an act of love, not complaint.
Sorry, that was maladroit phrasing.

In a very few years it will probably no longer be an issue.
 
I'm overly sensitive. That's the first defense used by those who oppose change
Now I'm confused.

I will redo my last post for clarity.

"Sorry, my first post in this thread was maladroit phrasing.

In a very few years the issue of corporate mega church worship will probably no longer be a factor."