Does Hebrews 10 say if we willfully sin after being saved there is no more forgiveness?
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isn't paul describing willful sin in romans 7:15?
15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
lev 16 seems to differ:
15 “He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people and take its blood behind the curtain and do with it as he did with the bull’s blood: He shall sprinkle it on the atonement cover and in front of it. 16 In this way he will make atonement for the Most Holy Place because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been. He is to do the same for the tent of meeting, which is among them in the midst of their uncleanness. 17 No one is to be in the tent of meeting from the time Aaron goes in to make atonement in the Most Holy Place until he comes out, having made atonement for himself, his household and the whole community of Israel.
18 “Then he shall come out to the altar that is before the Lord and make atonement for it. He shall take some of the bull’s blood and some of the goat’s blood and put it on all the horns of the altar. 19 He shall sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times to cleanse it and to consecrate it from the uncleanness of the Israelites.
20 “When Aaron has finished making atonement for the Most Holy Place, the tent of meeting and the altar, he shall bring forward the live goat. 21 He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the goat away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. 22 The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.
The letter to the Hebrews in no way teaches that person can be declared "unjustified" under the new covenant...it affirms the exact opposite.
verse 26 would seem suggest sin in general is what is being discussed. Because it refers to "sins" in general and not one specific sin.
isn't Paul describing His own will ful sin in romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
Sure about that? a plain contextual reading would suggest otherwise.
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=heb 10&version=NIV#fen-NIV-30164d" title="See footnote d">d</a>] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=heb 10&version=NIV#fen-NIV-30164e" title="See footnote e">e</a>] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
actually it is, as 75% of those who read the bible read only what is on page. (IE no other supplementary reference material.) Hence "a plain reading."
I doubt he's describing a pattern of willful sin. He is probably describing one off sins. Willful sin is sinning with abandon, like making a habit of doing something sinful and then rationalizing to yourself how there's no issue with it. You can sin in a one off way where it's not willful, such as quick words of anger when frustrated.
Are you not familiar with this passage let's look at it because Paul is describing is in ability to refrain from sin, and he explains why:
14 We know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand, for I do not practice what I will to do, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 But if I practice what I do not will to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing, for the will to do what is right is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good I desire to do, I do not do, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who does it, but sin that lives in me.
21 I find then a law that when I desire to do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inner man, 23 but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So then, with my mind, I serve the law of God, but with my flesh, the law of sin.
I agree that a plain reading is how the vast majority of people read their bibles. I also agree that exegesis that can only come through specialized study is garbage most of the time. Especially when that specialized study is the polar opposite of the plain reading.
When ever you read a passage from scripture and the teacher says: "I know this is what the bible says, but it is not what the passage means" it is almost always a lie. In fact I can not think of an example where it is not a lie/mis representation of the intended meaning of the passage.
"I find a law that when I desire to do good, evil is present with me." It sounds like he's talking about moments where his flesh gets the better of him, not sin where he's doing it willfully. There's nuance to what he's saying, he's not saying it's ok to sin in general, he's saying, quite honestly, that he desires to do good but doesn't find that within himself. That is the flesh. You might envision yourself the next time you get into an argument with someone handling it with composure and grace, but in the moment you might act unreasonable and say things you regret. You desired to do good, but evil was present with you and you did what you didn't want to do. If you repent and apologize for your behavior that is different from walking away and rationalizing it to yourself and then doing it again. One is willful sin, the other is just sin in general. We live in the flesh, we are going to sin, but to rationalize it and become comfortable with it is to sin willfully.
For what it's worth, Paul is not saying here it was ok for him to sin, he's just being honest.
That's because I was trusting in works for salvation at that time and not in Jesus Christ alone. That is where fear and bondage to insecurity came in. I had no assurance of salvation until my conversion, when I finally stopped trusting in a works based false gospel for salvation and came to believe in the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:11-13) Praise God!
Of course, faith remains non-meritorious and through faith, we are trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation, and He receives all the merit.
From beginning 'have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works.
Okay then, so what is your problem with perseverance? Why do you think the point of the Scriptures urging perseverance
(persevere because apostasy/repudiating saving faith is possible) contradicts the Scriptures you cited in #114, all of which
assume perseverance? Do you think those who commit apostasy will go to heaven?
Chapters 6, 7 and 8 are paul's version of explaining what being 'born again' means.
He clearly makes a division between the old man/Carnal self and the new creation in Christ. That it is possible for the new creation/Man in Christ can hate or repent of sin (turn from sin), yet because our soul/Spirit is one with our mind and body in this life, and because our minds and bodies are slaves to sin and satan, that "we"/Soul Spirits in Christ can infact hate and want nothing to do with sin yet still participate in sin.