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So the entire Bible is never about ethnicity.
Just as we shall not bow down to statues made of rock, gold, wood, ethnicity is nothing, just a created thing.
Only worship the creator
Hosea explains the fall of the northern kingdom by portraying God as a husband who finally issues a covenant “divorce” because Israel has persistently chased other gods. When God says, “She is not my wife, and I am not her husband,” He is declaring that the covenant with Israel (the northern kingdom) has been legally dissolved, while Judah remains disciplined but not rejected. Yet Hosea insists that this judgment is not the end of the story: the same God who declares “You are not my people” also promises to reverse the sentence, restore the relationship, and reunite Israel and Judah under a renewed covenant. This is why Paul can quote Hosea in Romans—because the God who judges is the God who restores.
In Ezekiel 37 God gives a vivid sign of His intention to reunite the divided nation: He tells the prophet to take two sticks, one labeled “Judah” and the other “Ephraim,” and to join them together in his hand so they become one. This symbolic act declares that the covenant rupture between the northern and southern kingdoms will not be permanent. The same God who divorced Israel in Hosea promises here to heal the division, restore both houses, and make them one people under one Shepherd‑King. In other words, judgment may divide, but God’s redemptive purpose ultimately reunites.
If you want, I can craft a version that flows directly into your teaching on Romans 11 or one that highlights the messianic dimension of the one Shepherd in Ezekiel 37.
With regard to salvation, all are welcome!So the entire Bible is never about ethnicity.
Just as we shall not bow down to statues made of rock, gold, wood, ethnicity is nothing, just a created thing.
Only worship the creator
With regard to Israel, God's promise that Jesus would rule from Jerusalem is still valid and it will happen.
Isaiah 65:12-16
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
Isaiah is speaking about the nation as a whole, but he does so by addressing individuals within the nation who embody two contrasting responses to God. In other words, the passage is national in scope but personal in application. That’s the prophetic pattern: Isaiah speaks to “my servants” and “you who forsake the LORD,” and those labels describe groups of people inside the nation, not abstract theological categories. So the judgment (“I called, but you did not answer”) falls on the segment of the nation that persists in rebellion, while the blessings (“my servants will eat… my servants will rejoice”) fall on the faithful remnant. Isaiah is not dividing Israel ethnically or geographically; he is dividing them morally and spiritually. The nation is addressed, but the dividing line runs through the hearts of individuals.
Is that not what I said ? The New Covenant under Christ is what brings them together - I do not believe the Church replaces the bride which is Israel in Christ, but they are part of the church. In that parable about the wedding we have the bride and the friends or wedding guests, I see the part of the church that is not descended from Jacob Israel as the friends and guests, and the part of the church that is descended from Jacob Israel as the bride.
From New Jerusalem not OldWith regard to salvation, all are welcome!
That is true but I believe that within the church we have the bride - the descendants of Jacob Israel, and also the wedding guests those that are not descended from Jacob Israel. So I do not hold a replacement theology.
May God raise up more and more pastors like him, not afraid to preach the true gospel.
It may sound like a predestination argument—if that’s what you’re referring to—but that’s not really what is happening here. In Romans 2, Paul is not discussing predestination unto salvation, and the cases of Ishmael and Esau have nothing to do with salvation either. As I mentioned earlier, God’s choice of Isaac and Jacob was not based on their moral worth. God chooses whom He wills simply because He is God.
Regarding “citizenship,” I’m not entirely sure what you mean, but the core issue is straightforward: God promised the land to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants—and He kept that promise.
Under the Mosaic covenant, Israel’s prosperity in the land depended on obedience. If they turned away from God, He would discipline them, including exile. But like any good Father, His discipline was never meant to be permanent. The Abrahamic covenant is unconditional, so even when Israel is exiled, the land still belongs to them. God does not revoke His promises, and He ultimately restores them—as history repeatedly shows.
Romans 2:25 can seem confusing, but context resolves the tension. God does not contradict Himself. He repeatedly declares that the land belongs to Israel as an everlasting inheritance—Genesis 13:14–15; 17:8; Psalm 105:8–11; Isaiah 60:21, and many others. When God repeats something, we should pay attention.
Paul, as a Jew and a trained Torah scholar, knew this well. He understood the unconditional nature of the Abrahamic covenant. In Romans 2, Paul is addressing a different issue entirely: pressure from some Jews insisting that Gentiles must be circumcised to be right with God. Paul argues—consistently across his letters—that circumcision does not establish righteousness. If circumcision alone made someone right with God, then Christ’s sacrifice would be unnecessary.
Many Jews believed that to belong to the covenant people, one had to be circumcised and live as a Jew. Paul counters this by saying that true covenant standing comes from the heart, not from the physical sign. Whenever Paul discusses Gentiles, the topic is salvation, not land inheritance.
Therefore, Romans 2:25 has nothing to do with the land promise. It concerns spiritual standing before God—Jew or Gentile—not territorial rights.
I didn't say you did. I'm saying Romans 11 tells us everything we need to know about Israel, the Jews, how God feels about them to this day.
p.s. @HeIsHere apparently thinks everyone needs a wingman/woman when it comes to all of my comments.
I do not know how anyone can read Romans 11 and not understand what is saying is stunning to me.
So the entire Bible is never about ethnicity.
Just as we shall not bow down to statues made of rock, gold, wood, ethnicity is nothing, just a created thing.
Only worship the creator
No one here ever said that.
Who is Israel, GOD's Chosen people? Who is The Church, The Bride of Christ?
Since the posting of the video clip by the rather angry preacher, this seems to have become a thing of contention.
Just as all who are circumcised are not Israel, so all who attend a Christian church on Sundays are not the Church.
I was born again in 1978 and 'discovered' The Bible in the congregation I joined as a result of my conversion. I had an RC upbringing and only knew things from their catechism. I was an avid participant in the Sunday Bible Study which preceded the service on Sundays.
After some years I was driving to the service one Sunday morning when I was overcome by a conviction of hypocrisy, turned around and went back home. I stayed away for about 28 years. I was still seeking GOD but was unable to be the 'good Christian'.
During that time, being contemplative by nature, I thought about all my big decisions in life and discovered that while the results in the short term were pretty much what I had expected, I had never even thought of what developed from those in the longer term. My conclusion was that I did not really know what I was doing; and if that held for me, it probably held for everyone else. It was a light bulb moment and I coined a slogan to describe it - going not knowing!
I got myself into a very terrifying and testing situation which seriously degraded my sleep and caused a lot of weight loss. You guessed it - I turned to The Bible! Mat, Mark, Luke, John. Faced with the very strict and over-zealous Epistles I decided to skip to Revelation - had always been fascinated by it. Finished that and left with no choice, started reading The Epistles. After quite some time I was in Hebrews where I came across this - And Abraham went, not knowing where he was going. That was in the latter 1/4 of 2010.
I pulled out of the venture [and the people causing the stress] and rejoined the congregation I had abandoned back in '82 or so. for some reason I started studying Revelation and in the process discovered much more than what is in that book. I found a born-gain Jew on the internet and listened to a lot of his lessons as well as others. I thought it would be nice to have The Bible on my computer so I found a KJV with a 000.000 numbering system and downloaded it. Not conducive to quick look-ups while listening to lessons. NO PROBLEM ! ! ! I started re-formatting it into a better format with headings for books, chapters and verses. About 2/3 of the way through my Jewish preacher suggested e-Sword and wow! Much better than my version-in-the-making. But I continued to the end - first time I had read the whole Bible.
Since then I have done a number of chronological compilations starting in Kings. I guess I have done all the books except those which are already in chrono order in the Bible - and Revelation where I would have to insert passages for The prophets as well as 'type' and 'shadow' passages and probably some comments.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
I no longer refer to 'the church' which I attend as that; I refer to it as the congregation. It is a little charismatic in talk though I have not observed much walk.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
How can I know GOD and Jesus if I do not diligently read/study The Word of GOD which is The Name of Jesus, which we call The Bible?
We serve a GOD who "have punished us less than our iniquities deserved" [Ezra 9:13].
Here is a tangent to the body of this message - Ezra, Nehemiah and Daniel all contain very powerful prayers in ch9.
Back to the body. I am strongly persuaded that GOD has kept a 'remnant' of the children of Abraham and that they will receive the Promised Land - Gen 15:18. This is shadowed by the 7000 in 1Ki 19:18. Even Elijah got it wrong!
None of us "know". So - let's calm down the tone.
Let Our Lord and Saviour, Judge of All The Earth [Gen 18:25] judge.
Since the posting of the video clip by the rather angry preacher, this seems to have become a thing of contention.
Just as all who are circumcised are not Israel, so all who attend a Christian church on Sundays are not the Church.
I was born again in 1978 and 'discovered' The Bible in the congregation I joined as a result of my conversion. I had an RC upbringing and only knew things from their catechism. I was an avid participant in the Sunday Bible Study which preceded the service on Sundays.
After some years I was driving to the service one Sunday morning when I was overcome by a conviction of hypocrisy, turned around and went back home. I stayed away for about 28 years. I was still seeking GOD but was unable to be the 'good Christian'.
During that time, being contemplative by nature, I thought about all my big decisions in life and discovered that while the results in the short term were pretty much what I had expected, I had never even thought of what developed from those in the longer term. My conclusion was that I did not really know what I was doing; and if that held for me, it probably held for everyone else. It was a light bulb moment and I coined a slogan to describe it - going not knowing!
I got myself into a very terrifying and testing situation which seriously degraded my sleep and caused a lot of weight loss. You guessed it - I turned to The Bible! Mat, Mark, Luke, John. Faced with the very strict and over-zealous Epistles I decided to skip to Revelation - had always been fascinated by it. Finished that and left with no choice, started reading The Epistles. After quite some time I was in Hebrews where I came across this - And Abraham went, not knowing where he was going. That was in the latter 1/4 of 2010.
I pulled out of the venture [and the people causing the stress] and rejoined the congregation I had abandoned back in '82 or so. for some reason I started studying Revelation and in the process discovered much more than what is in that book. I found a born-gain Jew on the internet and listened to a lot of his lessons as well as others. I thought it would be nice to have The Bible on my computer so I found a KJV with a 000.000 numbering system and downloaded it. Not conducive to quick look-ups while listening to lessons. NO PROBLEM ! ! ! I started re-formatting it into a better format with headings for books, chapters and verses. About 2/3 of the way through my Jewish preacher suggested e-Sword and wow! Much better than my version-in-the-making. But I continued to the end - first time I had read the whole Bible.
Since then I have done a number of chronological compilations starting in Kings. I guess I have done all the books except those which are already in chrono order in the Bible - and Revelation where I would have to insert passages for The prophets as well as 'type' and 'shadow' passages and probably some comments.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
I no longer refer to 'the church' which I attend as that; I refer to it as the congregation. It is a little charismatic in talk though I have not observed much walk.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
How can I know GOD and Jesus if I do not diligently read/study The Word of GOD which is The Name of Jesus, which we call The Bible?
We serve a GOD who "have punished us less than our iniquities deserved" [Ezra 9:13].
Here is a tangent to the body of this message - Ezra, Nehemiah and Daniel all contain very powerful prayers in ch9.
Back to the body. I am strongly persuaded that GOD has kept a 'remnant' of the children of Abraham and that they will receive the Promised Land - Gen 15:18. This is shadowed by the 7000 in 1Ki 19:18. Even Elijah got it wrong!
None of us "know". So - let's calm down the tone.
Let Our Lord and Saviour, Judge of All The Earth [Gen 18:25] judge.
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Now, I have noticed a growing trend of hating toward the modern day Jewish people.
All that comes to pass is toward the Harvest.
There are 12 Tribes of Israel.
Judah is one Tribe.
We should not be surprised about current world affairs because we are informed of much in our Bible.
Now, it is my belief that in rebellion the unbelieving Hebrew set about to take what they believe was promised to them.. they are a broken branch.
In life if GOD is for you then nothing overcomes you. GOD is above all things.
What we witness on earth in this mortal realm is leading us to that great and dreadful day.
We should have no hate for people. As Believers in Christ we abide in Faith, at liberty under GOD’s Grace.
What comes to pass while we abide is destiny. A stiff necked people do want to claim what they believe they were promised.
The flesh understands the things of the flesh. We have the Holy Spirit and see what they have not the Faith to see.
Just as Eve was beguiled by the serpent.. people of this world desire things they ought not to.
Trust and abide in Faith.
Israel, is a nation but there is no peace amongst men.
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Now, I have noticed a growing trend of hating toward the modern day Jewish people.
All that comes to pass is toward the Harvest.
There are 12 Tribes of Israel.
Judah is one Tribe.
We should not be surprised about current world affairs because we are informed of much in our Bible.
Now, it is my belief that in rebellion the unbelieving Hebrew set about to take what they believe was promised to them.. they are a broken branch.
In life if GOD is for you then nothing overcomes you. GOD is above all things.
What we witness on earth in this mortal realm is leading us to that great and dreadful day.
We should have no hate for people. As Believers in Christ we abide in Faith, at liberty under GOD’s Grace.
What comes to pass while we abide is destiny. A stiff necked people do want to claim what they believe they were promised.
The flesh understands the things of the flesh. We have the Holy Spirit and see what they have not the Faith to see.
Just as Eve was beguiled by the serpent.. people of this world desire things they ought not to.
Trust and abide in Faith.
Israel, is a nation but there is no peace amongst men.
It seems to me that you are not seeing a connection between the Abrahamic covenant and salvation?
We should probably clear that one up first.
If that covenant has nothing to do with salvation, it also has nothing to do with Jesus.
I will show you that this is fortunately not the case.
Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."
What could it be talking about?
Unfortunately I have to take you into the most misunderstood chapter of the Old Testament to find out.
Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee"
Notice first that "thee" in this passage is one man, Abram.
Nowhere in the passage does God apply it to all that carry his DNA, as God Himself cursed the children of Israel many times.
" and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
So that part must be about earthly Israel?
Sounds like Genesis 22:18
"And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed"
If you wish not to attribute this to Jesus or to Salvation you will have to interpret it independently from the New Testament, but hopefully you are not the type that would ignore the NT.
Here is the explanation:
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
