Which of Jesus teachings do you reject, personally, socially, economically or politically?

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biblestudent78 said:
Flories71:
This is the challenge of proof texts. I am attempting to confront all of us with Jesus perspectives. In a counterbalance to Luke verse 12:20 is Jesus statement about how to build a sustainable life: Matthew 7:24-27
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Your reference is not really about building a sustainable life in terms of future planning, or long term decision making, though.

It seems to be more focused on the stability derived from consistently obeying the teachings of Christ.

Matthew 7

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
 
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maxwel said:
The title of this thread raises the question of which teachings we reject.
So is there something you reject about Matthew 19:24... the verse about the camel and the needle?

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God told us, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
 
biblestudent78 said:
Watchman22: more citations on the 3 tithes.
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You have the first fruits tithe, which i relate to the first paycheck of the new year.
Then, 10 % of remaining paychecks.
Then 10% on the increase.

Of course in the OT the tithes were based alot on crops and livestock.
 
Anchorite said:
If Jesus is our Savior, Teacher, and Lord, how can we possibly reject any of His teachings?

Now, some teachings may be more difficult than others for us to obey.

Many people think worrying is a rational operation that is entirely appropriate. They even think you are crazy to never worry about anything.

A mom worries about her daughter going out of state to attend college. An employee worries about being laid off in a bad economy. An elderly person in poor health and reduced strength worries about driving at night, falling on black ice, how dying will eventually occur. A believer in Nigeria worries about being imprisoned, tortured, executed.

Matthew 6

25 Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?

26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?

33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
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Yeah. That is the extent of sermons and bible school....but way short of the mark
 
So, how often do we hear this one? And how often is it wrapped in a feather pillow?
Matthew 7:1-6 1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. 3 Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? 5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
 
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biblestudent78 said:
Yeah. That is the extent of sermons and bible school....but way short of the mark
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Not sure what you mean.

You said : “Which of Jesus teaching do you reject in word, thought and deed. Not to mention through your personal theology?”

Are there teachings of Jesus that you reject?
 
Here is another sermon you have never heard preached:
Matthew 7:21 21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
 
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An another sermon of silence:
Matthew 5
21 “You have heard that it was said to an older generation, ‘Do not murder,’ and ‘whoever murders will be subjected to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell. 23 So then, if you bring your gift to the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother and then come and present your gift. 25 Reach agreement quickly with your accuser while on the way to court, or he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the warden, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 I tell you the truth, you will never get out of there until you have paid the last penny!
 
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biblestudent78 said:
It strikes me that "institutional Christianity" has erected filters, barriers and obfuscations to many of Jesus teachings and commands. Which of Jesus teaching do you reject in word, thought and deed. Not to mention through your personal theology?
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Hello Biblestudent78, I don't believe that I personally reject anything that's taught in the Bible, OT/NT, and I don't know any true Christians who do. Perhaps you could give us some examples what you speak of in the OP, IOW, what you believe "institutional Christianity" teaches (on the one hand) that the Bible does not (on the other) :unsure:

biblestudent78 said:
The year was 325 AD. Emperor Constantine had just legalized Christianity across the Roman Empire and church leaders from across the known world gathered in the city of Nika. What happened in those marble halls would reshape Christianity forever. But it would also begin a slow, almost imperceptible process of editing. not editing the scriptures themselves, but editing which parts would be emphasized, which would be quietly set aside, and which would be transformed into something altogether different.
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1054 AD and (particularly) 1517 AD come to mind as times in history when a number of the most questionable beliefs (and traditional thoughts and doctrines) from Rome were dealt with aggressively and openly, but in reality, EVERY belief that the church has held and holds today are vetted regularly in our seminaries and Bible colleges (as well as by many others in our churches, theologians, linguists, historians, pastors/elders, etc., and our laity, of course. So, much of what Rome teaches today continues to make up the majority of beliefs/teachings within the pale of Christian orthodoxy, NOT because Rome taught it, but because the Bible does.

So, again, I believe that it would be helpful for you to point out some specific verses/passages and teachings/doctrines of the "institutional Church" to us that 'you' believe conflict with Biblical teachings (and why you believe that they do). Thanks :)

biblestudent78 said:
Imagine walking into a typical Sunday service today. The pastor speaks of love, salvation, and eternal life. The congregation nods in approval as familiar verses are quoted. But what if I told you that some of the most radical, challenging, and socially revolutionary teachings attributed to Jesus of Nazareth are sitting right there in their Bibles, yet remain largely unspoken from the pulpit. These aren't hidden gospels or secret texts. These are words recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the very books that every Christian denomination accepts as canonical.

Yet, for nearly 17 centuries, many of these teachings have been softened, reinterpreted, or simply overlooked. Why? Because they're inconvenient. They challenge power structures. They demand a level of commitment that would empty pews and collection plates. The carpenter from Galilee spoke words that would make modern megachurch pastors uncomfortable, that would challenge the political allegiances of countless congregants, and that would demand a complete restructuring of how many Christians live their daily lives. These teachings remain hidden in plain sight. Tucked between the verses that get highlighted and memorized.

This is not a cover-ups in religious history. Not a conspiracy of evil intent, but a slow cultural drift away from teachings that prove too challenging for institutional Christianity to fully embrace.
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Again, some examples of what you are referring to, specificially, would be appreciated.

Thanks!

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy
 
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biblestudent78 said:
Here is another sermon you have never heard preached:
Matthew 7:21 21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
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I have heard this preached a lot.

For example, here is Paul Washer.

 
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We live in a theological world "full of enemies." = Common sermon
The unspoken sermon = Love and pray for your enemies Matt 5:44-46 linked to Matthew 22:39"Love your neighbor as yourself."
 
Deuteronomy said:
Hello Biblestudent78, I don't believe that I personally reject anything that's taught in the Bible, OT/NT, and I don't know any true Christians who do. Perhaps you could give us some examples what you speak of in the OP, IOW, what you believe "institutional Christianity" teaches (on the one hand) that the Bible does not (on the other) :unsure:


1054 AD and (particularly) 1517 AD come to mind as times in history when a number of the most questionable beliefs (and traditional thoughts and doctrines) from Rome were dealt with aggressively and openly, but in reality, EVERY belief that the church has held and holds today are vetted regularly in our seminaries and Bible colleges (as well as by many others in our churches, theologians, linguists, historians, pastors/elders, etc., and our laity, of course. So, much of what Rome teaches today continues to make up the majority of beliefs/teachings within the pale of Christian orthodoxy, NOT because Rome taught it, but because the Bible does.

So, again, I believe that it would be helpful for you to point out some specific verses/passages and teachings/doctrines of the "institutional Church" to us that 'you' believe conflict with Biblical teachings (and why you believe that they do). Thanks :)


Again, some examples of what you are referring to, specificially, would be appreciated.

Thanks!

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy
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Stay tuned. I betting you do reject or absolutely fail to obey quite a number of Jesus's commands
 
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Love and invite the poor into your life Luke 14:12-14
Show your love by:
Feeding the hungry and quenching the thirsty Matt 25:35
Inviting in the stranger Matt 25:35
Clothing the naked Matt 25:36
Visiting the sick Matt 25:36
Visiting those in prison Matt 25:36
 
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Matthew 5; 28 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist the evildoer. But whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him as well. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and to take your tunic, give him your coat also. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not reject the one who wants to borrow from you.

How loud was the sermon about always always giving anything to anyone who wants to borrow from you?

Love for Enemies
Matthew 7:21
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

So, when was the last sermon you heard about turning the other cheek (or was it fire and brimstone being called down on the "evil doers.?) Modern Christianity in all its 45,000 sects and denominations campaigns on the sinners in need of retribution and government punishment. Verse 48 is not hyperbole. If you want to be like your heavenly father you must prioritize forgiveness.

Are these Jesus statements and requirements starting to sound unfamiliar?

Survey Question: how many have heard an entire sermon preached on the entire 25th Chapter of Matthew? if so, let us know about it.
 
biblestudent78 said:
Matthew 5; 28 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist the evildoer. But whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him as well. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and to take your tunic, give him your coat also. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not reject the one who wants to borrow from you.

How loud was the sermon about always always giving anything to anyone who wants to borrow from you?

Love for Enemies
Matthew 7:21
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

So, when was the last sermon you heard about turning the other cheek (or was it fire and brimstone being called down on the "evil doers.?) Modern Christianity in all its 45,000 sects and denominations campaigns on the sinners in need of retribution and government punishment. Verse 48 is not hyperbole. If you want to be like your heavenly father you must prioritize forgiveness.

Are these Jesus statements and requirements starting to sound unfamiliar?

Survey Question: how many have heard an entire sermon preached on the entire 25th Chapter of Matthew? if so, let us know about it.
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I get the feeling you are setting yourself up as a judge of Christianity as it currently exists.

Your approach seems to be prideful.

2 Timothy 2

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive [quarrel]; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
 
biblestudent78 said:
Here is another sermon you have never heard preached:
Matthew 7:21 21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
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I have both heard those verses preached on, and have preached on them myself. Your claim, "Here is another sermon you have never heard preached" is just wrong, and I am sure I am not the only person to have heard those verses preached upon.
 
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biblestudent78 said:
We live in a theological world "full of enemies." = Common sermon
The unspoken sermon = Love and pray for your enemies Matt 5:44-46 linked to Matthew 22:39"Love your neighbor as yourself."
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Again, loving one's enemies and praying for them is something I have heard preached. You seem to claim a knowledge of what other churches apart from your own preach. By all means ask us if we have heard a sermon based on this or that passage of Scripture, but please don't presume to tell that we haven't heard such preaching.
 
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I don't know that I reject any of his teachings.

However the one action that stands out as being the opposite of what I thought Jesus to be, was the whole make a whip and the beat and kick over the money changers tables.. Yes I get why, and don't get me wrong I have no problems beating people and kicking over tables if it came down to it. The act here just does not seem very 'turn the other cheeky' to me.

...And does this act put too much value in relics/objects?

Technically the money changers where selling in the court of the gentiles (A common area) Yet Jesus said "It was His father's house." which is a throw back to moses having to take off his sandals for standing on holy Ground.
 
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