Which of Jesus teachings do you reject, personally, socially, economically or politically?

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I don't know that I reject any of his teachings.

However the one action that stands out as being the opposite of what I thought Jesus to be, was the whole make a whip and the beat and kick over the money changers tables.. Yes I get why, and don't get me wrong I have no problems beating people and kicking over tables if it came down to it. The act here just does not seem very 'turn the other cheeky' to me.

...And does this act put too much value in relics/objects?

Technically the money changers where selling in the court of the gentiles (A common area) Yet Jesus said "It was His father's house." which is a throw back to moses having to take off his sandals for standing on holy Ground.
I do not think that Jesus used the whip on people. He did not beat them. He used the whip to drive out the animals.

No, it does not put too much value on objects. It put value on reverence.

The merchants and priests overcharged poor worshippers for required animal sacrifices and used unfair currency exchange rates inside the holy site.

Jesus did not accuse them as sellers, but as robbers.

Turn the other cheek means do not get angry if someone slaps you to insult you.

In that society, a backhand slap was not a blow meant to physically injure or fight; it was a degrading insult used by a superior (like a master or a Roman soldier) to punish or demean an inferior (like a servant or a peasant).

If you turn the other cheek, the aggressor cannot give another backhanded slap (the hand won't fit). They are forced to either treat you as an equal by giving a forward fist-punch, or acknowledge that you are a human being standing tall before them.

It refuses retaliation while maintaining personal agency. It shifts the power dynamic from a helpless victim to a courageous person who refuses to play by the oppressor's humiliating rules.
 
Not sure what you mean.

You said : “Which of Jesus teaching do you reject in word, thought and deed. Not to mention through your personal theology?”

Are there teachings of Jesus that you reject?
I am rich by every measurement. I have not curated an ability to see people in need, though I do a fair amount of personal support. I instinctively judge and thus question other people's motives. I do not consistently pray for those who I believe are victimizing others. I do not feel personally victimized. I have periodically worked with others to feed and clothe people. As a family we donate weekly toward the needs of others as well as through my local church. But all the things I do are insignificant in terms of what I could do if I was more convicted by Jesus teachings.

This is the entire reason I have raised these questions. We can either look at ourselves on a week by week basis and honestly evaluate to what degree we are living in faith enough to be fully compliant with the will of God as expressed by the life and teaching of Jesus. It is my general observation that our real energy is devoted to the theological minutia of defending our "beliefs" when the real test of our Christianity commitment is our day to day lives. I would hope we can all confess as do I that doing Christianity is our only valid means of claiming "faith." Mine does not move mountains, but it does regularly make me painfully aware of how inadequate my faith is in generating day by day my need to experience and exhibit horizontal Christianity. I find it FAR easier to just focus on vertical Christianity in which I think about all that God through Christ has done for me instead of the reality that I too am called by Jesus the Christ to deliver God's love to others by being evermore a "living sacrifice."

To answer my own question, if am judged by what I do, how I prioritize, who I engage with and why, I am living in denial of many of Jesus teachings even though I intellectually and perhaps spiritually believe them. I reject that faith claims absent life change has any validity in the site of God. I look to these and more Jesus statements to remind me that no matter how much I might claim to love God, if I don't love my neighbor, I am just deceiving myself.
 
Matthew 5; 28 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist the evildoer. But whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him as well. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and to take your tunic, give him your coat also. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not reject the one who wants to borrow from you.

How loud was the sermon about always always giving anything to anyone who wants to borrow from you?

Love for Enemies
Matthew 7:21
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

So, when was the last sermon you heard about turning the other cheek (or was it fire and brimstone being called down on the "evil doers.?) Modern Christianity in all its 45,000 sects and denominations campaigns on the sinners in need of retribution and government punishment. Verse 48 is not hyperbole. If you want to be like your heavenly father you must prioritize forgiveness.

Are these Jesus statements and requirements starting to sound unfamiliar?

Survey Question: how many have heard an entire sermon preached on the entire 25th Chapter of Matthew? if so, let us know about it.
Love for enemies? Do good to those who hate you!

This is radical stuff, but Christians are to lead such lives. I think this means that Jesus would not have joined the US army and killed others had he been in our culture and our time.

I have heard sermons on this topic clearly presented and very straight forward.
 
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Love for enemies? Do good to those who hate you!

This is radical stuff, but Christians are to lead such lives. I think this means that Jesus would not have joined the US army and killed others had he been in our culture and our time.

I have heard sermons on this topic clearly presented and very straight forward.
Unfortunately, the Christian Nationalist Ideology is in play either openly or hidden. Ever since the 1970's moral majority and the uber right wing of the formerly Republican party took over Evangelical Christianity. There is zero space between a political ideology and and highly modified Christian ideology which teach hate for the foreigner, hate for the Islamist, hate for the muslims, hate for the Hindu, hate for the poor immigrant, hate as a "righteous indignation" for the enemies of "our God."

 
Unfortunately, the Christian Nationalist Ideology is in play either openly or hidden. Ever since the 1970's moral majority and the uber right wing of the formerly Republican party took over Evangelical Christianity. There is zero space between a political ideology and and highly modified Christian ideology which teach hate for the foreigner, hate for the Islamist, hate for the muslims, hate for the Hindu, hate for the poor immigrant, hate as a "righteous indignation" for the enemies of "our God."

You exaggerate and base your wild allegations on fringe groups.

Most Christians do not hate foreigners, Islamists, Muslims, Hindu, or poor immigrants.
 
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I do not think that Jesus used the whip on people. He did not beat them. He used the whip to drive out the animals.
It is unlikely jesus made a cracker's whip. (A whip that makes a pop) too much time and material needed for that. how ever a hand full of leather straps about 3 ft long tied together would only take minutes to make and would move people and animals alike out of the court yard.

Not to mention if you had a booth at a flea market and some crazy guy is kicking over tables with your lively hood on them (meaning if he kicked over your table you would loose hundreds if not thousands of dollars) would you just stand there and let him do it?

That whip not only acted like a deterrent it help 'readjust' anyone's priorities looking to stop Jesus. It was a insurance that Jesus could stop anyone trying to stop Him, without calling on the Holy Spirit or angels to 'smite' anyone.
No, it does not put too much value on objects. It put value on reverence.
So again, while on temple grounds, these merchants where in the court of the gentiles. Meaning there was not the same level of expectation of law following as their where in the more holy places of the temple. The fact that the gentiles where allowed in that part of the temple grounds demonstrates this. As far as reverence Jesus explicitly said: 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,, but you have made it into a den of thieves.

The subject/focus here is "My house." (object) was turned into a den of thieves.

Again, technically they are not in the prayer/ceremonial portion of the temple. This portion of the temple was set aside for gentiles/merchants. Because this portion of the temple was set aside for commerce and not prayer, to say the whole temple is a holy place, when the temple is subdivided, places value on the 'house' as a whole. Meaning anything in the temple foot print is 'holy ground.' which places the importance on the object/where one prays, not the act of praying.

Which is ok if that is what is expected. It's just kinda counter intuitive to some of the other things He said about prayer. Eg; go into your closet, do not pray like the hypocrites do standing in public, etc..

The merchants and priests overcharged poor worshippers for required animal sacrifices and used unfair currency exchange rates inside the holy site.
Again not in dispute. What is in dispute is how Jesus handled the situation. Most would agree this was not how the church would typically describe Jesus, or how He would normally deal with a situation.
Jesus did not accuse them as sellers, but as robbers.
The robbing took place when people went to exchange their regional money for "Temple tokens." (Tyrian 1/2 sheckle.) The sellers I'm sure also over charged for their animals as they had to meet very stringent set of rules to qualify for a sacrifice. Jesus made no distinction between the two. They both got the 'beans'
Turn the other cheek means do not get angry if someone slaps you to insult you.
Not just slapping. to turn the other cheek means if someone wrongs you, you are to forgive them, because our forgiveness is tied to our ability to forgive those who wrong us. If we can not forgive those who wrong us, we ourselves will not be forgiven.

The point I am making here is I do not care if jesus kicked and beat these people bloody that day. I am just pointing out that this incident seems to be counter to every other time he was wronged or blasphemed against. Jesus never acted this way.
In that society, a backhand slap was not a blow meant to physically injure or fight; it was a degrading insult used by a superior (like a master or a Roman soldier) to punish or demean an inferior (like a servant or a peasant).
And.. Jesus took a back handed slap Spiritually speaking with the money changers and He did not turn the other cheek. unless kicking over people stuff and popping them with a whip is turning the other cheek. if it is I think I could get behind that.
If you turn the other cheek, the aggressor cannot give another backhanded slap (the hand won't fit). They are forced to either treat you as an equal by giving a forward fist-punch, or acknowledge that you are a human being standing tall before them.
or.. they could simply back hand you with the other hand...
It refuses retaliation while maintaining personal agency. It shifts the power dynamic from a helpless victim to a courageous person who refuses to play by the oppressor's humiliating rules.
which again Jesus did not do in this situation.

I personally think because of the timing of passover Jesus not only made a statment here He also used this incident to force/provoke the temple leadership to have Him executed.
 
You were first to make a claim, but you did not back it up with any data, so now you want me to do what you failed to d

I asked Google AI for some stats, and though I admit I can't substantiate these numbers, I think they are very telling and likely fairly accurate:

Even though Evangelical Christians make up about 14% of the total U.S. population, they account for roughly 40% of active-duty military personnel.

Leadership and Chaplains: The presence of Evangelicals is even stronger in military leadership and pastoral roles. Between 60% and 80% of all military chaplains identify as Evangelical.

If a person is willing to join a military and help to kill Muslims, Hindus, etc., then that is surely not "loving your enemies." So I thihk that here are some stats to support the statement that many Christians . . . "teach hate for the foreigner, hate for the Islamist, hate for the muslims, hate for the Hindu, hate for the poor immigrant, hate as a "righteous indignation" for the enemies of "our God."
 
What is your data to back up your claim?
81% of all Evangelicals voted for Trump who promised to rid the country of vermin who were polluting the blood of real Americans. A convicted felon, adulter, sexual predator and persistent liar and a man whose entire life is one of personal and business corruption.

His entire communications empire is daily driving hate for Muslims, people from hellhole countries and Popes that speak out against him. I think the video accurately describes the horrible impact on Christianity via lost members and the perversion of huge Christian communities into Right Wing propagandists.

Surveys of young people leaving Christianity prominently note the inseparability and fusion of faith and politics. in way too many churches you cannot believe "right" but vote "wrong." The video clearly makes that distinction. Hate is more than a personal point of view. If you support the subjugation, demining and dehumanizing of those we are commanded to love, then it is in reality - hate.
 
I asked Google AI for some stats, and though I admit I can't substantiate these numbers, I think they are very telling and likely fairly accurate:

Even though Evangelical Christians make up about 14% of the total U.S. population, they account for roughly 40% of active-duty military personnel.

Leadership and Chaplains: The presence of Evangelicals is even stronger in military leadership and pastoral roles. Between 60% and 80% of all military chaplains identify as Evangelical.

If a person is willing to join a military and help to kill Muslims, Hindus, etc., then that is surely not "loving your enemies." So I thihk that here are some stats to support the statement that many Christians . . . "teach hate for the foreigner, hate for the Islamist, hate for the muslims, hate for the Hindu, hate for the poor immigrant, hate as a "righteous indignation" for the enemies of "our God."
Chester If one attempts to join the military and expresses any racial or religious hatred as a motivator they are excluded. The hate part is just one political party that has made scapegoating their failures and blaming everything on "them." The definition of "them" is whatever works.
 
Every word that Jesus spoke was Truth and Good.. Like the Lamb on the day of Passover back in Egypt they had to consume it all, that symbolic act transfers to the LAMB of GOD whom we have to consume all His teachings to be able to say we are following the Actual LORD Jesus, not another jesus.. And yes they had to cover their door with the Blood of the Lamb, just as we must be covered by the Atoning Blood of the LAMB of GOD, by trusting in His sacrifice on the cross..

John 6:52 - John 6:58
(John 6:52-58) "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? {53} Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. {54} Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. {55} For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. {56} He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. {57} As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. {58} This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever."
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So let's use your quote from John. A substantial majority of Christians have been taught to believe that the actual body and blood of Jesus miraculously is transformed..in some way ... into a piece of unleavened bread and wine in the Eucharist. Another long held belief handed down over the generations is that the Lord's Supper components are only symbolic of the broken body and blood of Jesus. When you accept either theology you are believing in the filters established hundreds or thousands of years ago. We are not asked to make our own analysis via the Word of God, but must accept the filters approved by our sect. My larger point in asking for self reflection about what comes unexamined or self-justified in our Christian tradition is that we all tend to swallow whole whatever doctrinal framework was handed down through the ages by people unknown all claiming to have the "only" valid interpretation of scripture.

My other objective in asking these questions is to help us all see that most of us on this forum believe Christian theology is a framework of acceptable theological constructs defining Christianity as exclusively what we choose to believe. The ancient filters leave us corrupting the term faith. We really mean "belief". If you believe in Jesus, you are guaranteed heaven. After 600 years of continuous theological evolution, this one statement is the centerpoint of Protestant Christianity. It demonstrates that the Protestant and non-denominational framework equates saving "belief" with saving "faith." For most the terms are synonymous.

IMHO, the Christianity is conveniently defined as believing the "right" things. It is impossible for me to see Christianity as anything other than a converted way of living. We all want salvation offered in Jesus, but few are willing to walk the walk of Jesus which is His objective. Converted people loving God and loving people. Paul makes the distinction clear. Not matter how much faith you claim to have...enough to move mountains.....but you do not act in love (vertically and horizontally) then what you claim as "saving faith" is in vain. Jesus put another way, if you love me you will keep my commandments. The problem is that by defining saving faith as just a mental perspective of our relationship with God, then the requirement to keep Jesus commandments throws a monkey wrench into the uber-convenient lifestyle of those filling the pews. Most could give a pretty good statement about how to become a Christian but few can offer any real-world instructions on keeping Jesus commandments. Most have never heard a sermon even detailing them.

It's as if we all want to become world class flight instructors. We know the theory of every aspect of flying a plane. We know extensively about the various ways a plane can be flown. We are experts on the equipment required, we know we can trust the plane and its creator. We are experts at the specific procedures and are experts in all the instruction manuals.... but we do not fly. We cannot fly. We are afraid to fly...what if I crash?

Christianity is not about mastering the 66 books of the manual, but about applying them. Using them to connect to their author and demonstrating our faith by our converted lives. Our ever changing, evolving and inexpertly executed lives where we become followers in word, action and commitment to a new life in Christ. IMHO, faith requires following, living, loving, sacrificing and growing in our "living" example of following The Way.
 
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