Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

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True, there is not a single verse explicitly commanding the Christian church to switch its weekly day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. Nevertheless, it is a known historical fact that the Church introduced that change at a very early date, and there are a few verses here and there that show signs of it.

One example is Acts 20:7. The expression "breaking bread" usually refers to Holy Communion (the Eucharist, the Lord's Supper) and at this early date Paul was evidently celebrating that sacrament on the first day of the week, in this case for the church in Troas.


Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place.

And the Acts reference might very well have had them getting together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.
But even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.

Also, a further explanation taken from B Ward Powers’ First Corinthians - An Exegetical and Explanatory Commentary:

"The expression 'the breaking of bread' found in Acts 2 was commonly used amongst the Jews to refer to the sharing of a meal in conscious religious fellowship, and this usage is found in the New Testament, not least in the Gospel by the same author as Acts and even elsewhere in the Acts."

"The significance of the religious aspect of the breaking of bread would be greatly heightened for the disciples in the light of the Last Supper, but this is not the same as saying that they held a ritual meal deliberately re-enacting the Last Supper in conscious obedience to the command of Christ, commemorating his death through eating bread and drinking a cup; and these features would be necessary if we are to regard the 'breaking of bread' as equating with the Lord’s Supper."

"Rather, the evidence indicates that in the New Testament the expression 'the breaking of bread' or 'broke bread' refers to the usual Jewish practice of prayer with which a hunger-satisfying meal commenced. When we recognize that references to the breaking of bread are not references to the Lord’s Supper, we see the significance of what we learn from Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians."
 
Circumcision was never "out". It was not prohibited or even discouraged. Messianic Jews continued the practice or did not as they saw appropriate. It was eliminated as a requirement for gentiles participating in the Synagogue. Conflating circumcision with God's law is error.

And please, please define what you mean by 'law". There is God's direct Law; His Commandments. There is His indirect Law, often called the Mosaic law. And there is church "Law" called Halakah for Hebrews, and church doctrine for Christians. Without these definitions discussions become nonsensical.

In the current discussion it would be correct to say the circumcision requirements for gentiles was removed. but only from the laws of Halakah.
Here let me help you.....

Gen 15:18
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Gen 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Gen 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Gen 17:11
And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Rom 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Rom 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Col 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
 
Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place.

And the Acts reference might very well have had them getting together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.
But even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.

Also, a further explanation taken from B Ward Powers’ First Corinthians - An Exegetical and Explanatory Commentary:

"The expression 'the breaking of bread' found in Acts 2 was commonly used amongst the Jews to refer to the sharing of a meal in conscious religious fellowship, and this usage is found in the New Testament, not least in the Gospel by the same author as Acts and even elsewhere in the Acts."

"The significance of the religious aspect of the breaking of bread would be greatly heightened for the disciples in the light of the Last Supper, but this is not the same as saying that they held a ritual meal deliberately re-enacting the Last Supper in conscious obedience to the command of Christ, commemorating his death through eating bread and drinking a cup; and these features would be necessary if we are to regard the 'breaking of bread' as equating with the Lord’s Supper."

"Rather, the evidence indicates that in the New Testament the expression 'the breaking of bread' or 'broke bread' refers to the usual Jewish practice of prayer with which a hunger-satisfying meal commenced. When we recognize that references to the breaking of bread are not references to the Lord’s Supper, we see the significance of what we learn from Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians."
The mystery gentile Bride Church is NOT required to keep the 7th day Sabbath, the Moedim (מוֹעֲדִים), or to be circumcised in the flesh.

Act 15:10
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Act 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Act 15:19
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Act 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
 
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It says that Jesus rose on the first day of the week.


One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special
does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and
whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6
grace and peace
Daniel 7:25

25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
 
It says that Jesus rose on the first day of the week.


One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special
does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and
whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6
grace and peace
Yes, Jesus did rise on the first day of the week and by doing so He fulfilled Firstfruits - one of the 7 festivals. That has nothing to do with the Sabbath.
 
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Daniel 7:25

25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Note... Daniel did not say, "the Law."

That speaks of the typical times and laws of nations and regional areas.
 
Where to start?
30 years every Sunday and more. Which day are you asking?
What kind of teachings are you presented?

For the early Church met daily, and was taught daily.
My Church met six days a week, and received excellent Bible lessons each time.
 
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Note... Daniel did not say, "the Law."

That speaks of the typical times and laws of nations and regional areas.
I don't think so. It is one of the prophecies telling us how the little horn will "think" to change Gods laws and times... His commandments and His time s that He established. And, they would continue until His return.
 
I don't think so. It is one of the prophecies telling us how the little horn will "think" to change Gods laws and times... His commandments and His time s that He established. And, they would continue until His return.
Sorry... What you cited, and how you said it appeared not to be saying that.
 
Daniel 7:25

25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Sorry... You got off track.

The passage I gave was written by Paul, and to the Church.

New rules for the Church age.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special
does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and
whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6​

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Sorry... You got off track.

The passage I gave was written by Paul, and to the Church.

New rules for the Church age.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special
does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and
whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6​

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I don't think so. I would ask that you dig alittle deeper regarding those passages. They speak to the ceremonial laws and the sabbaths (small s) and have nothing to do with The Sabbath. Very big difference between the Moral Laws and the Ceremonial Laws.
 
I don't think so. I would ask that you dig alittle deeper regarding those passages. They speak to the ceremonial laws and the sabbaths (small s) and have nothing to do with The Sabbath. Very big difference between the Moral Laws and the Ceremonial Laws.
The Church will not be around to suffer those tribulations.
That passage is post rapture, and likely pertains to ISRAEL.
 
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There is absolutely no question one can find individuals commenting on both sides of the fence regarding the keeping of the Sabbath. They may even produce some strong comments about when and where and why they saw no one continuing to honor it - for whatever reason - whether by force or not. But that isn't the point, IMV. The only one who gets a vote on this is God. Doesn't matter how many commentaries, history books, whatever can be compiled since the time of the cross, Jesus has told us to believe in Him and obey His commandments.... to me, case closed. And the Sabbath (not sabbaths), is within His 10 commandments - and they are certainly not done away with.
Really in Trust ,there is One Anointing .
that means one everthings like ine Faith example only no need deter.
Old or later days, No One can Not Rest AKA Sabbath
when anyone is Unclean
in old The High Preist had to use the water And ash to make another clean but at the same time the high priest became Unclean . That's why the priests could never Rest sit down and rest in the Sabbath s Either
So I got to add more? can you guys figure it out on your own?
I hint
The High priest is Now Seated With All That are Of Him Purified.
I see People so hungry but they going back to their own vvomit .
 
What kind of teachings are you presented?

For the early Church met daily, and was taught daily.
My Church met six days a week, and received excellent Bible lessons each time.
That's great.
Once a week minimum. If more, then better.
 
I don't think so. I would ask that you dig alittle deeper regarding those passages. They speak to the ceremonial laws and the sabbaths (small s) and have nothing to do with The Sabbath. Very big difference between the Moral Laws and the Ceremonial Laws.
There you go again....
How many times should I post this so you can see what it tells us?


New rules for the Church age.
No longer OT Law.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special
does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and
whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6


Alternative translation:
One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must
be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and
the one who eats, does so with regard to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who
does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat, and he gives thanks to God.
Grace and peace......
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There you go again....
How many times should I post this so you can see what it tells us?


New rules for the Church age.
No longer OT Law.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special
does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and
whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6


Alternative translation:
One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must
be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and
the one who eats, does so with regard to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who
does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat, and he gives thanks to God.
Grace and peace......
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Do you think believers should get together often?

If yes, how often? Holidays only? Funerals only? Or weekly, daily if like?
 
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